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Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator
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eldarlmari
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中国歼-21战斗机
J-21/歼-21基本性能
长：20m 翼展：15m
高：6m 空重：13ton
内载燃油：10ton 载弹量：10000kg
飞行员可受重力负荷：最大17G
航程：仅用内载燃油最大超过4000km
雷达：歼雷21主被动相位雷达，最大探测距离约500km
对F-22A约200km，可追踪30目标导引20枚导弹攻击。
发动机：WS-20可变旁通比向量推力发动机2具180knt x 2 (军用推力)； 240knt x 2
(后燃)
推重比：满载时也有1,5，正常空战时接近2
起飞距离：小于200m
武器挂点：内部最多10个(中程导弹x8，短程x2)；外面8个共18个
可指挥其它中国飞机如J-11系列或J-10系列作战
必要时皆可临时用于航母上作战
China fighter -21 fighter
J-21/fighter-21 basic specifications:
Length: 20m.
Wingspan: 15m.
Height: 6m.
Weight: 13ton.
Containing fuel: 10ton.
Payload capacity: 10000kg.
Gravity load capacity: 17G.
Range: More than 4000km on internal fuel.
Max radar: Jian Lightning-21 active/passive radar, maximum detection range of 500km (approx). Detection range on F-22A is 200km (approx). Ability to track up to 30 targets and attack with 20 guided missiles.
Engine: WS-20 variable bypass ratio 2 180knt x 2 thrust-vector engines (military-scale); 240knt x 2 (afterburner)
Thrust-weight ratio: 1, 5 when loaded. Close to 2 during dogfights.
Take-off distance: less than 200m.
Internal payload: up to 10 (medium-range missiles X8, short-range missles X2)
External payload: up to 8 (combined total would thus be 18)
Commoniality with other Chinese combat aircraft such as the J-11 series or the J-10 series. When the necessity arises, the J-21 can be modified for usage on an aircraft carrier.
P.S translated from chinese source
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发展背景
为有效解决台湾问题，中国秘密发展各种先进武器。在主力战机部分，由总
装备部下辖的设计部门连同成飞、沈飞这两大战机生产基地的工程师进行新
机发展。
此时，美国F-22已经形成战斗力，并正在发展更强的F/A-22B超级猛禽。JSF也
改进，甚至，无人战斗机也开始使用。在隐形设计的考虑方面，美国的方法
是在形状下工夫，他们是最早有这种方法的国家，也可能有破解方法，美国
在空战方面还有一个“大绝招”那就是完整的预警、空中指挥体系。从这看
来，隐形设计似乎不符合中国国情，中国如果跟着发展美式隐形战机，效果
可能不大。考虑到种种因素，符合中国特色的性能要求被定了下来：也就是
一架功能强大足以独立作战并指挥其它飞机的机种：〈1〉藉由优异的飞行性
能、极为强大的航电、火控系统、武器系统来达到单机的绝对性能优势。
〈2〉有一定的隐形能力，要延长被F-22发现所需时间。〈3〉指挥歼十一、歼
十等战机甚至可能出现的无人战机作战。这一项相当重要，在小规模冲突当
中相当好用，能不必考虑指挥机的安危，又能发挥集体作战的高效果，甚至
若将歼十改成无人战机或有了全新的无人战机，歼二十一都将可不经修改而
指挥之。也因此，中国对外将新机计划称为？先进不死指挥机？计划。正因
为名称很好笑，因此外界甚至相信者很少，直到后来J-21渐渐服役，有了许多
事件的发生，世界才开始相信这架飞机的存在。
Development background:
To effectively resolve the Taiwan issue, China's developed various kinds of classified advanced weapons. In the sector of her main fighter aircraft projects, various design institutions under the General Armaments Department along with CAC and SAC, which are the 2 largest combat aircraft design centres, looked into for the development of a new combat aircraft. At this point, the United States F-22 has been put into operating capability and is developing the more powerful F/A-22B. JSF is also undergoing changes. The United States is also beginning to employ UAVs. When putting stealth considerations into mind, The United States' methodology is to intensively researched on said factor. In fact, they were the first countries with this approach and may have made significant breakthroughs. The United States Air Force also has a trump card- she has a comprehensive early warning and airborne command system. From this view, her style of stealth designs does not seem to be in line with the development of China's own stealth needs. If China followed the design style of the American stealth fighters, it may not be that effective for China. Taking various factors into considerations, the specifications of a an aircraft tailored well to her own requirements have been set in stone. It is to be 1 of Chinese characteristics.; one that is a superior fighter that can operate independently and assume leadership command of other aircrafts. It must:
1) possess superior flight performance, installed with extremely powerful avionics plus advanced weapons systems, along with a fire control system to achieve the single advantage of absolute performance.
2) have a defined ability of stealth, with time for detection by the F-22 to be extended.
3) command others fighters of her own like the J-11 and J-10 fighters to also effectively engage potential enemy UAVs during aerial combat operations.
These are very important- as in a localised conflict, the ability to forsake constant considerations for the commanding plane's safety will bring forth a cohesive and highly effective combat formation. Moreever, if the J-10 can be modified into a UAV, J-21 would not be needed to be modified to be able to assume proper command. As a result, China's name for new project is called 'Advanced Immortal Commanding Aircraft Project'. Because its name is weird, the outside world would probably scoff at it. Until J-21 reaches initial operating capabality along side with many events, the world would then begin to believe its existence.
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@escobar:
its from wenku baidu
atually personally, i think its more of a fanboy's description, judging from the language used. but i felt that he did pointed out some logical and relevant points though like the design specs that j-21 needs.
J-21/歼-21基本性能
长：20m 翼展：15m
高：6m 空重：13ton
内载燃油：10ton 载弹量：10000kg
飞行员可受重力负荷：最大17G
航程：仅用内载燃油最大超过4000km
雷达：歼雷21主被动相位雷达，最大探测距离约500km
对F-22A约200km，可追踪30目标导引20枚导弹攻击。
发动机：WS-20可变旁通比向量推力发动机2具180knt x 2 (军用推力)； 240knt x 2
(后燃)
推重比：满载时也有1,5，正常空战时接近2
起飞距离：小于200m
武器挂点：内部最多10个(中程导弹x8，短程x2)；外面8个共18个
可指挥其它中国飞机如J-11系列或J-10系列作战
必要时皆可临时用于航母上作战
China fighter -21 fighter
J-21/fighter-21 basic specifications:
Length: 20m.
Wingspan: 15m.
Height: 6m.
Weight: 13ton.
Containing fuel: 10ton.
Payload capacity: 10000kg.
Gravity load capacity: 17G.
Range: More than 4000km on internal fuel.
Max radar: Jian Lightning-21 active/passive radar, maximum detection range of 500km (approx). Detection range on F-22A is 200km (approx). Ability to track up to 30 targets and attack with 20 guided missiles.
Engine: WS-20 variable bypass ratio 2 180knt x 2 thrust-vector engines (military-scale); 240knt x 2 (afterburner)
Thrust-weight ratio: 1, 5 when loaded. Close to 2 during dogfights.
Take-off distance: less than 200m.
Internal payload: up to 10 (medium-range missiles X8, short-range missles X2)
External payload: up to 8 (combined total would thus be 18)
Commoniality with other Chinese combat aircraft such as the J-11 series or the J-10 series. When the necessity arises, the J-21 can be modified for usage on an aircraft carrier.
P.S translated from chinese source
---------- Post added at 12:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 AM ----------
发展背景
为有效解决台湾问题，中国秘密发展各种先进武器。在主力战机部分，由总
装备部下辖的设计部门连同成飞、沈飞这两大战机生产基地的工程师进行新
机发展。
此时，美国F-22已经形成战斗力，并正在发展更强的F/A-22B超级猛禽。JSF也
改进，甚至，无人战斗机也开始使用。在隐形设计的考虑方面，美国的方法
是在形状下工夫，他们是最早有这种方法的国家，也可能有破解方法，美国
在空战方面还有一个“大绝招”那就是完整的预警、空中指挥体系。从这看
来，隐形设计似乎不符合中国国情，中国如果跟着发展美式隐形战机，效果
可能不大。考虑到种种因素，符合中国特色的性能要求被定了下来：也就是
一架功能强大足以独立作战并指挥其它飞机的机种：〈1〉藉由优异的飞行性
能、极为强大的航电、火控系统、武器系统来达到单机的绝对性能优势。
〈2〉有一定的隐形能力，要延长被F-22发现所需时间。〈3〉指挥歼十一、歼
十等战机甚至可能出现的无人战机作战。这一项相当重要，在小规模冲突当
中相当好用，能不必考虑指挥机的安危，又能发挥集体作战的高效果，甚至
若将歼十改成无人战机或有了全新的无人战机，歼二十一都将可不经修改而
指挥之。也因此，中国对外将新机计划称为？先进不死指挥机？计划。正因
为名称很好笑，因此外界甚至相信者很少，直到后来J-21渐渐服役，有了许多
事件的发生，世界才开始相信这架飞机的存在。
Development background:
To effectively resolve the Taiwan issue, China's developed various kinds of classified advanced weapons. In the sector of her main fighter aircraft projects, various design institutions under the General Armaments Department along with CAC and SAC, which are the 2 largest combat aircraft design centres, looked into for the development of a new combat aircraft. At this point, the United States F-22 has been put into operating capability and is developing the more powerful F/A-22B. JSF is also undergoing changes. The United States is also beginning to employ UAVs. When putting stealth considerations into mind, The United States' methodology is to intensively researched on said factor. In fact, they were the first countries with this approach and may have made significant breakthroughs. The United States Air Force also has a trump card- she has a comprehensive early warning and airborne command system. From this view, her style of stealth designs does not seem to be in line with the development of China's own stealth needs. If China followed the design style of the American stealth fighters, it may not be that effective for China. Taking various factors into considerations, the specifications of a an aircraft tailored well to her own requirements have been set in stone. It is to be 1 of Chinese characteristics.; one that is a superior fighter that can operate independently and assume leadership command of other aircrafts. It must:
1) possess superior flight performance, installed with extremely powerful avionics plus advanced weapons systems, along with a fire control system to achieve the single advantage of absolute performance.
2) have a defined ability of stealth, with time for detection by the F-22 to be extended.
3) command others fighters of her own like the J-11 and J-10 fighters to also effectively engage potential enemy UAVs during aerial combat operations.
These are very important- as in a localised conflict, the ability to forsake constant considerations for the commanding plane's safety will bring forth a cohesive and highly effective combat formation. Moreever, if the J-10 can be modified into a UAV, J-21 would not be needed to be modified to be able to assume proper command. As a result, China's name for new project is called 'Advanced Immortal Commanding Aircraft Project'. Because its name is weird, the outside world would probably scoff at it. Until J-21 reaches initial operating capabality along side with many events, the world would then begin to believe its existence.
---------- Post added at 12:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 PM ----------
@escobar:
its from wenku baidu
atually personally, i think its more of a fanboy's description, judging from the language used. but i felt that he did pointed out some logical and relevant points though like the design specs that j-21 needs.
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Hyperwarp
Captain
You gotta be
SinoSoldier
Colonel
The PLAAF won't be able to be as effective as it can by adding more aircraft instead of focusing on a few. The IAF is becoming smaller and more high tech, much like the Royal Saudi Air Force. While the IAF may not be as prominent when it come to technological aspects, adding "force multipliers" IMO isn't the best way the PLAAF can proceed from here.
As I understand it, a force multiplier isn't necessarily another plane. It's just some new tech or capability that enhances the effectiveness of some existing unit or ability. Something like that is basically a good thing no matter what.
eldarlmari
New Member
What do you think guys? to be taken seriously or not?
I will just do a simple summary for those who does'nt understand chinese.
The news is saying that there's a leakage of a report that china's 1st Vstol aircraft called the "J-18" had just conducted its 1st test flight in Inner Mongolia last month(this news article is dated 25th april 2012). It's been reported that PLAAF was'nt satisfied with J-15's 'too-simple take-off capabilities', short range and limited payload. Therefore a decision had been taken to develop a new 4th generation(5th in western context) fighter aircraft-the J-18.
Specs of the fighter are:
1)supercruise capabilites
2)option to be manned or unmanned
3)stealth
4)internal payload
I will just do a simple summary for those who does'nt understand chinese.
The news is saying that there's a leakage of a report that china's 1st Vstol aircraft called the "J-18" had just conducted its 1st test flight in Inner Mongolia last month(this news article is dated 25th april 2012). It's been reported that PLAAF was'nt satisfied with J-15's 'too-simple take-off capabilities', short range and limited payload. Therefore a decision had been taken to develop a new 4th generation(5th in western context) fighter aircraft-the J-18.
Specs of the fighter are:
1)supercruise capabilites
2)option to be manned or unmanned
3)stealth
4)internal payload
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too good to be true!
but hoping that it's true!
will be happy if it's true!
checking source... ifeng, hopes rate went down a whole level
regurgitation of the snowy owl rumour perhaps
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