Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator
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Wow, Mace, where did you get this, to say a I love it is an understatement, great post with a great video, nice Flanker as well. brat
This means that J-11B's are still being produced. One Flanker batch production plant.Thanks for posting ... The so far best video I've seen on the J-31.
Regarding the number ist looks like 0601 ... maybe aircraft no. 01 of serial block 06.
Deino
I imagine that J-15 and J-16 are produced in another Flanker batch production plant, probably one that earlier produced J-11B's and that now has been upgraded. But is this compatible with what is known about the yearly production of Flankers? Deino, do you know?
thunderchief
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It will be replaced, but there is no need to do that now. These are first prototypes, officially project is still to be approved for use by PLAAF. For initial tests old stock of RD-93 is good enough. If they get official backing they could acquire newer versions with less smoke. Eventual serial variant would almost certainly have Chinese engines.
Aeronaut
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I have a feeling that the PT-31001 will see production and would end up becoming the 'JSF' of the Chinese Air Force and Navy. Given the fact that PT-31001 is developed on a twin engine doctrine takes most of the issues attached to F-35's performance out of the equation. It will be more maneuverable than the F-35, it can be faster, more agile, and can contain a heavier load of weapons and sensor's package.
If we see the following upgrades on PT-31001, it can become a huge success.
- A >100Ktn thrust 'reliable' engine, preferably with two dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles.
- Powerful Active Electronically Scanned Radar
- Electro Optical Targeting System (Similar to the one seen on J-20)
- Signature enhancements, full/max composite air frame - made to be light to have higher TWR.
- Sensor Fusion
- Supercruise
- A highly advanced single piece Man Machine Interface
- An integrated Helmet Mounted Targeting System to replace HUD
- Voice enabled command and control
- Easy servicing and spare parts supply
- Suitable weapons package (SD-10B+ and IR Guided High Off Bore Sighted WVRAAM)
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Aeronaut, your little laundry list of what ifs, and wouldn't it be greats, sounds like the lead-in for the old "Night Rider" television show, while some of these are doable, the laundry list is VERY EXPENSIVE in the real world. To be honest if the objective was/is to keep it exportable, and yet high performance, those two objectives are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and this bird is way to early in development to draw the kind of support that such a project will require, while I believe it will be built, at present it seems to be "in flux" as far as design parameters.
Aeronaut
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Its not my laundry list. These are the requirements for a true 5th generation platform and i have full faith in Chinese aviation industry's ability to deliver it at a competative price.
Who made these requirements?
by78
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The F-35, F-22, and the PAK FA are all considered 5th-Gen, and yet none possess all of the features you have listed:
F-22 doesn't have an 'electro Optical Targeting System'.
F-35 doesn't have 'supercruise'. Well, it can 'super-dash' for maybe 10 minutes without afterburners.
F-22 and PAK FA don't have a 'highly advanced single piece Man Machine Interface'.
F-22 and PAK FA don't have an 'integrated Helmet Mounted Targeting System to replace HUD'.
LOL, neither the F-22 nor F-35 has 'easy servicing and spare parts supply'. In fact, F-22 remains a maintenance hog, and the F-35 is shaping up to be an SOB in that respect as well, regardless if the ballyhooed ALIS works as advertised or not.
The U.S. informally defines 5th-gen as having stealth-optimized airframe + AESA radar + Sensor fusion + supercruise. Well, it used to at least... Since the advent of the F-35, supercruise seemed to have been quietly dropped as a feature.
I think your list is more of a laundry/wish list. Needless to say, the more of your listed features a fighter has, the better; but truth be told, 5th-gen doesn't have a definitive feature set.
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Sorry for the silly questions...
1) What is a Man Machine Interface?
2) And what is so important about voice enabled command and control that it become one of the defining criteria for 5th generation fighter.
3) Easy servicing and spare parts supply? I thought these are basically criteria that are built for designing and manufacturing of the aircraft and that doesn't define a fifth generation aircraft?
4) When anyone design a fighter (be it third, forth or fifth or anything in between and beyond) I think that they would definitely consider suitable weapon package (for different scenarios) this is not a defining criteria for fifth generation fighter. However, you if mentioned that if there will be more weapon packages available for greater number of different scenarios (A-A, A-G, A-S, etc) then, yeah maybe.
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