Mig-29, this forum is not designed for you to defend Russian achievement, but rather to talk about PLAAF. Please try to stay on topic.
Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator
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Mig-29, this forum is not designed for you to defend Russian achievement, but rather to talk about PLAAF. Please try to stay on topic.
MiG-29
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there is no shame in re-using technology, some Russian technology still is capable.
However his point is J-31 has proven the decadence of Russia when the moist likely J-31 uses RD-93 what a decadence
MiG-29
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i am not defending Russian achievements, however here many people claim J-31 is a pure chinese design if you mention the jet has RD-93s they get angry, if you say China asked for 117 engines they get angry.
Where is the supercruising engine of J-20, the TVC nozzles of J-31? people get angry here if you mention China might use Russian engines for J-20 or J-31, that they americans claimed J-31 uses data from F-35 they get angry.
My opinion has always been Russia has proven technologies that are very likely still used on J-31 and J-20 and Russia is ahead of engine technology and has proven it, so i can see still Russian tech on Chinese jets
all the WS-15 is just still unproven or a myth or a single picture and J-31 looks like it has old Russian engines
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You are instigating all of the Russia vs China debates here, because you have to defend every Russian achievements that you view Chinese posters are diminishing. J-31 is clearly using RD-93 right now, but that's also going to change because there is no way they are going to use an engine that leaves that much of a gap with the fuselage.
What you are doing is extending a lot of arguments unnecessarily and annoying a lot of people. Keep it simple. There is no need to extend every argument. The reason why I asked TVC stuff to be moved to a thread is because it was disrupting the conversations on J-20 and J-31. People come here to look at new pictures and read other people have to say about J-20 and J-31. They are not here to read the same arguments about TVC and inlets over and over again. I think I've been pretty clear what the issue is now. I'm going to be more aggressive in deleting posts that I view as useless jargon.
What you are doing is extending a lot of arguments unnecessarily and annoying a lot of people. Keep it simple. There is no need to extend every argument. The reason why I asked TVC stuff to be moved to a thread is because it was disrupting the conversations on J-20 and J-31. People come here to look at new pictures and read other people have to say about J-20 and J-31. They are not here to read the same arguments about TVC and inlets over and over again. I think I've been pretty clear what the issue is now. I'm going to be more aggressive in deleting posts that I view as useless jargon.
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117S having higher thrust than AL-31 does not contradict my statements. The Soviet Union did the work designing AL-31 and AL-41, whereas Russia put the two together for the 117S engine. The 117S is not an example of designing a new engine from scratch. Deal with it. is the proof:
Supercruise was already achieved by the Soviet on the MiG1.44. PAKFA is not the first aircraft outside of the US to have supercruise capability.
LEVCON is just a leading edge device, and an extension to the concept of leading edge flap. In fact, LEVCONS and leading edge flaps deflect in a synchronized fashion. The ability to control vortex is not new, as canard is known to have the same ability. Canard can do what LEVCON can do, but LEVCON cannot provide pitch moment as canard can.
Anyway, here is another CGI of 310 that hasn't been posted on the forum yet:
I just thought of a potential issue for this aircraft. Given the plane is not a PLAAF's project, it is doubtful Shenyang gets to use sensitive technologies found on the J-20, technologies such as RAM coating. So I wonder if AVIC has to invent an entirely different RAM coating for the 310.
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Anyway, here is another CGI of 310 that hasn't been posted on the forum yet:
I just thought of a potential issue for this aircraft. Given the plane is not a PLAAF's project, it is doubtful Shenyang gets to use sensitive technologies found on the J-20, technologies such as RAM coating. So I wonder if AVIC has to invent an entirely different RAM coating for the 310.
instagramed?
that CGI by Baiwei is very well done, i wonder how accurate that weapon bay config would be
regarding RAM coating, it strikes me that i have not seen it on any PLAAF/PLAN planes, perhaps some partial coating on some areas?
although it's not a 'secret' anymore, developing one that would be up to the task will still involve extensive research
Your skills in doing research are clearly do not exist when it comes to tracking down relevant information. Virginia class SSNs use the S9G reactor which is capable of using natural circulation when in quiet mode.
Links for your education. Use them
Building the J-20 and J-31 on a mass production scale requires materials that must be manufactured to exacting standards. This story right here may have bearing on the quest to build 5th generation fighters in Chinese aerospace
Chinese Smuggler Tried to Sneak Carbon Fiber for Fighter Jets, Feds Claim
Chinese Smuggler Tried to Sneak Carbon Fiber for Fighter Jets, Feds Claim
Wait, wait, wait.
The plot starts in 2012 near the end of April, the smuggler guy doesn't find a Chinese buyer for the stuff for 3 months until July, and they're saying they would export 2 tons of material for one prototype plane that's going to fly 2 months later in the beginning of October. And they're saying this implies something about China's stealth planes? When exactly were the Chinese supposedly expecting this stuff to be shipped???
Hey guys, this news proves two things. The Chinese can build advanced fighter prototypes from raw materials in less than 2 months now, but they also can't mass produce these things themselves without smuggling tons of supplies for every plane. Or I guess they can copy the material, and learn how to mass produce it themselves soon.
LOL.
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