Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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rhino123

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If you know History, you know that before 1917, there was the Russian Empire, and if you know after the Soviet Union collalpsed, Russia inherited all the ICBMs and nuclear forces and all the major industry.

With exception of Antonov and Lotarev engines, most of the major industry is located in Russia.


Now by simple Euclidean math in Euclidean geometry, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line you know tha an S duct can not be the lightest solution.


Now you claim Russia did not innovate?
true? not true, at all, 117 is lighter than Al-31 and smaller and lighter than Al-41F, with electronic control systems.

Basicly is a new design, what about airframe? LEVCONs are a unique solution developed in Russia, not the Soviet Union, You thesis is basicly a nationalistic thesis that China catch up with Russia.


In our days, all nations and all industries are globalized.

The fact J-20 and J-31 look to much like F-22 means simply that knowledge passed by legal and illegal ways, the americans are claiming the F-35 technology went to China illegally in airframe as the Russian claim Al-31 went to China in the same ways.

Now that is a strategy to catch up, regardless of the fact DSIs are an american invention or faceting was first tested on F-22 and F-117, to the Chinese is not important as long as they can design by their own a stealth fighter with their own engines.

Russia is no exception, Russia also copies, and also is making trade and industrial links with France and Italy for Superjet 100 or PAKFA with India, as it is re-linking its industry with Antonov of Ukraine.


Not even the US is capable to stop globalizing its industry, Boeing aircraft is build by many nations, in fact now Boeing is as American as Airbus is French.


China is like any other nation, needs trade partners and commercial and technological exchanges.

What is pure chinese on the J-31 must be skin deep, but basicly by just pure looks the jets benefited a lot from american and Russian tech, you like it or not.

That is so true.

However, I need to point out, there is no such a thing as ownership to a technology or system, in such, be it a innovation by Soviet Union, Russia, US, French or whatever nation, a piece of technology was already available, there is no meaning to skip that technology and try to invent the entire same technology all over again.

There is no shame in Russian using old Soviet technology, no shame in Chinese using Russian technology or even US using Japanese technology, if the tech is there and available, why not use it?

Therefore all these talk about who is responsible for what technology is all kind of... you know... meaningless.
 

Player99

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Some possible variable vane blockers :

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[video=youtube;SvarEU9oEIY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvarEU9oEIY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

I saw this picture before, probably on Keypublishing. Looks to me it's just a bunch of mini S ducts instead of one large one. Friction-wise, it's got to be a lot worse than one big S duct. Weight-wise, the blocker probably has to be heavier. Engineering-wise, the blocker got to make the aircraft design a whole lot easier...
 

jackliu

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Stop talking to Mig-29, a forum is about learning and exchange of information, he does neither those. Even NikeX occasionally admit he is beaten, Mig-29 will never ever accept defeat no matter if the evidence is staring him in the face, he will just come up with some new jumbo to confuse you more.

I still remember the time when he said that T-50's undercarriage is stealthy simply because it was the way it is designed, and since they design it, therefore it can't be unstealthy in any other way.

You are only wasting your time by replying to him
 

Engineer

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I think what Engineer is trying to argue is that the Soviet Union's capabilities and Russia's capabilities are often equated to each other, but they are in fact not the same. A more nuanced way of arguing this point would be to point out brain drain and loss of major manufacturing and research facilities to the other soviet blocs (like the Ukraine) and abroad after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I myself am not sure how good that argument is, but I do believe that's what's at the root of his point.

You highlighted my point so eloquently in a single paragraph.
 

hardware

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giving J-31 like MIG-29 same size ,same engine,J-31 likely a short range fighter.the jet will be ill suited as a candidate for carrier borne fighter.
 

tphuang

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Alright, this is getting seriously off topic again. This is for Shenyang's 4th gen fighter, not discussion about DF-21D or Pershing or S-37 or PAK-FA's inlet.
 

MiG-29

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It was the Soviet Union which created the technologies that Russia inherited. Russia's ownership of those technologies do not automatically mean Russia's has capabilities of developing those technologies again. As an example, Russia inherited Mig1.44's AL-41 engine which is the pinnacle of Soviet aviation technologies, and it is natural that Russia lacks the capability to reproduce such an engine. In other words, just because Russia owns a Soviet designed S-37 with S-ducts, that doesn't mean Russia has the capabilities to overcome challenges of designing S-ducts for high performance fighter aircraft.

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Russia builds already 117S and PAKFA has a experimental engine of higher thrust.

type 129 has been tested in PAKFA and yes Russia already has an engine like F119, and yes LEVCONS were created in Russia.

In fact PD14 already finished its test for MS-21,

PAKFA already supercruises
 
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