Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

Well in all what just said, one gotta give China a great deal of credit for having a program for not just one but two or even possibly more stealth platforms and types to play with. That speaks volume consider the other major players like the European (none) and Russia (one) either has a program or not, even during this hard economic times.

Air Force Brat said:

You're not too far behind your big brother, the only reason you still have any sanity left is no children, I'm playing coach today at school. HE HE

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And what you haven't realized is that you are so lucky not to have been a chinese parent in mainlan China. With only one child here, you probably would have been driven insane long time ago! ...And I'm serious. It's very tiring and extremely challenging to be Ordinary (as opposed to Rich) parents here.

AssassinsMace said:

The J-20 more expensive than the F-22? Bull! That's DOD propaganda. Compared to what estimate for the F-22? The cheaper estimate at the beginning or what some say the over $300 million per fighter in the end? It comes down to simple logic from their own mouths. China is cheaper. So how does China sell cheaper counterfeit parts to American military contractors if everything for China to make a stealth fighter cost more? Some say "cheap" Chinese parts are responsible for the F-22's oxygen problems. So if we were to go by that propaganda, are we also to believe that China must subsidize parts for stealth fighters so that China can capture the stealth fighter parts market by flooding it with cheap versions. That's the only way they can claim it cost more for China to make equivalent parts. There's so much propaganda going on whatever you hear them charge contradicts something they've said before. Sure since China's aerospace industry is not as developed some things will cost more relatively but not in real dollars. How would they know how much it cost when they complain about China not being transparent?

It's the other way around by a wide margin because they're so scared that if the American public found out the difference, it would kill enthusiasm. To say the J-20 is more expensive you can spin it many ways to get more funding. It makes you feel good you're doing it for less so it seems like a bargain. Also you got to make China like with the old Soviet Union wasting their money trying catch up with the US. The US has to keep spending on its military because it cost so much for China to keep up that they'll eventually go bankrupt.

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Another thing is, if the claim is China can't produce high technology equipment cheaply, then how do they explain the Chinese space program costing a small fraction of the U.S. ?

Also I suspect, if the cost is measure in Yuan with respect to the cost of living in China, the difference in cost between the 2 countries would not be that much of a difference. It's only when people start measuring them in U.S. dollars, there seem to be this big difference in cost.

But, if measured in U.S. dollars, there's no way the cost of producing J-20 is going to be more costly than the F-22, especially in a decade or so down the road when China's manufacturing technology improves further.

Quickie said:

Another thing is, if the claim is China can't produce high technology equipment cheaply, then how do they explain the Chinese space program costing a small fraction of the U.S. ?

Also I suspect, if the cost is measure in Yuan with respect to the cost of living in China, the difference in cost between the 2 countries would not be that much of a difference. It's only when people start measuring them in U.S. dollars, there seem to be this big difference in cost.

But, if measured in U.S. dollars, there's no way the cost of producing J-20 is going to be more costly than the F-22, especially in a decade or so down the road when China's manufacturing technology improves further.

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Well that's the new tactic to claim China subsidizes its industries to gain unfair advantage and not that China started late from a low base. I even read that's the reason why currency manipulation complaints are loosing steam because most economists will tell you that's not going to get outsourced jobs back to the US. They're going to use the government subsidies excuse now. You can't make a WTO trade violation complaint if there weren't some manipulation going on. That's why I read also that the US and Europe plan to kill the C919 by claiming it was subsidized and has an unfair advantage by its low cost. And that's why they always claim slave labor too. Because if no Westerner can live on the wage the average Chinese gets paid, it must be slave labor. They think if milk cost $4 a gallon in the US, it cost the same in China. So if they think Chinese make only a dollar a day, it takes them four days of labor just to buy a gallon of milk. So that's probably how they think the J-20 cost more than a F-22.

If they want to kill off C919 at the bud, all they need to do is make sure the FAA don't certify it.

Player99 said:

And what you haven't realized is that you are so lucky not to have been a chinese parent in mainlan China. With only one child here, you probably would have been driven insane long time ago! ...And I'm serious. It's very tiring and extremely challenging to be Ordinary (as opposed to Rich) parents here.

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I realized early on Player that as an American, I was and am extremely priviledged and blessed to be born in what was a Christian Nation. One of the reasons that many Americans are generous is that sense of being blessed and having a desire to share what we have, including our freedoms and self-determination. I know that I have no idea what you and many others have been through, and I assure you that it is not arrogance, but a desire to share that motivates many of the actions that others may resent. I have good friends that I love from, Bangladesh, India, and Africa, and now China, whose struggles break my heart. I hate to see my own Nation move away from the belief in our Master, that has brought so much blessing and abundance, and I hate thinking that our children will miss these blessings if we don't turn this around. I assure you my brother, that you are far from ordinary, and have a very kind and gracious heart, like that Chinese lady who rescued those babies from the dumps, she is in many ways like Mother Theresa, a true heroine, and you my brother have a true nobility that transcends our cultural differences, and I really do consider you a true friend. Thanks for sharing a little wisdom with me, and I hope at some point that I can be a blessing to you as well. Bax

I really do like this J-31, it is a nice looking bird, and until Jeff posted his F-35/F-22 pictures it was my screen shot, I believe that Shenyang will get this baby up and running and may well have a shot at developing the follow on aircraft to the J-15, as it seems to be a right sized aircraft, and it does seem to have the potential for being another world class aircraft from the mainland.

no new pics on weekend? surprising

What is this pseudo-religious mumbo jumbo has to do with J-31 again? With all due respect, why don't you save your christian nation stuff for somewhere else? Btw it's YOUR master, not anyone's else. Some choose not to be ..."mastered" yanno.

And you know i've noticed you around here some time ago, i've always being surprised to see an american actually not calling the chinese names (inferior ,yellow bastards, chicoms, trying to take over the world, copycats, USA strong !!!11!! you name it). Are you some sort of CIA sock-puppet trying to befriend the chinese folks here to gather information ?

Anyway , would love to see more pictures or anything of J-31 ( especialy that rumoured rollout video) .So come on SAC , will be good for your sales prospects! lol

MwRYum said:

If they want to kill off C919 at the bud, all they need to do is make sure the FAA don't certify it.

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The main customer for the C919 is the Chinese themselves. They don't want China to buy the C919 because that means they won't buy Boeing or Airbus. That's the point. It sounds totally absurd to me but then there are some people who think there's a WTO case against China just because the movies The Dark Knight Rises and Spider-Man opened on the same day there thus affecting how much money each movie made.

Vini_Vidi_Vici said:

no new pics on weekend? surprising

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No pics at all.

I was sort of looking forward to more F-35 comparison images, lol.