Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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What?!
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Ok...Let me guess. One by XAC (JH-7B?), One F-35B type A/C (either by XAC or CAC). thats 2, so what am I missing?

The China Defence Blog mentioned about the X-47B like Skybow Stealth UCAV model appearing in the same picture as the F-60 model i.e. J-21/J-31.
 

mack8

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3 more?! So if we might be talking about a stealth heavy striker , a stealth VTOL and an UCAV, any sort of idea , rumour anything as to when they are going to be unveiled? (i would very much love to see the rumoured new Xian striker)
 

hardware

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J-20 is very expensive aircraft ,according to the US DOD cost per plane could be as expensive if not higher than F-22,even J-31 is not going to be cheap as previously though, this leave one alternative light weight single engine with lower cost,something better or a improvement over J-10B .
I recall few month after the maiden flight of J-20,there is mention of single engine version call J-21.
 

AssassinsMace

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The J-20 more expensive than the F-22? Bull! That's DOD propaganda. Compared to what estimate for the F-22? The cheaper estimate at the beginning or what some say the over $300 million per fighter in the end? It comes down to simple logic from their own mouths. China is cheaper. So how does China sell cheaper counterfeit parts to American military contractors if everything for China to make a stealth fighter cost more? Some say "cheap" Chinese parts are responsible for the F-22's oxygen problems. So if we were to go by that propaganda, are we also to believe that China must subsidize parts for stealth fighters so that China can capture the stealth fighter parts market by flooding it with cheap versions. That's the only way they can claim it cost more for China to make equivalent parts. There's so much propaganda going on whatever you hear them charge contradicts something they've said before. Sure since China's aerospace industry is not as developed some things will cost more relatively but not in real dollars. How would they know how much it cost when they complain about China not being transparent?

It's the other way around by a wide margin because they're so scared that if the American public found out the difference, it would kill enthusiasm. To say the J-20 is more expensive you can spin it many ways to get more funding. It makes you feel good you're doing it for less so it seems like a bargain. Also you got to make China like with the old Soviet Union wasting their money trying catch up with the US. The US has to keep spending on its military because it cost so much for China to keep up that they'll eventually go bankrupt.
 
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Air Force Brat

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I would take the statement of the Chief of Airforce with a very large grain of salt. As I posted in the previous discussion to look at the J-20 and other Chinese aircraft and guess that they are on par with United States designs is the height of foolishness.

Lets revisit this discussion when the J-20 is fitted with an engine that allows it to super-cruise.

Actually Nike, that is General Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle, and he is trying to alert the budget cutting idiots who continue to preach that we don't need these stealth aircraft, to wake up! Nike, he's the good guy trying to light a fire under the goofballs tails, so his comments are that complacency will get us all killed, and while the Raptor is still the best, we have maintained our air superiority by being ahead of the game, by innovation and superior aircraft/equipment.
 

Yorkie

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Actually Nike, that is General Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle, and he is trying to alert the budget cutting idiots who continue to preach that we don't need these stealth aircraft, to wake up! Nike, he's the good guy trying to light a fire under the goofballs tails, so his comments are that complacency will get us all killed, and while the Raptor is still the best, we have maintained our air superiority by being ahead of the game, by innovation and superior aircraft/equipment.

Aha! But there is a fine line between cutting edge innovation and gadgetry that required hundreds thousands of software codes that take 10 years to debug! :) as you can tell i am no fan of the F35 program management and hated my tax dollars going down the drain, however meager my contribution is relative to the cost of the whole program...
 

Air Force Brat

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And yes, for those of us unbiased China (Cbinese military) watchers, the time has come that from now on, and if 2012 won't bring an end to this old world, we're going to see a lot more of Chinese military toys that many had thought only the USA, the Europe, and the former USSR could have brought forth.

Now I'm no fan of killing machines. But I do like technology and its manefestation in these toys, in addition to all the other science and technology goodies... and all the endeavor by human beings as one race.

Gee, Player, I wondered if somebody else had taken over my Chinese Brothers screen name, you must have been in a blue funk over that other thread bro. Glad to see you're sounding more like your old sweet self dude, really you know as a Christian, I think this whole little planet is gonna get melted by idiots, but if reasonable men have their way, hopefully we won't go down in 2012. Wow!
 

AssassinsMace

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China Unveils Second Stealth Fighter

By Bill Sweetman, Richard Fisher, Bradley Perrett


September 24, 2012

Bill Sweetman and Richard Fisher Washington and Bradley Perrett Beijing

China's unveiling of a second low-observable (LO) or stealthy fighter, a Shenyang product possibly designated J-31, followed the same pattern as the revelation of the Chengdu J-20 at the end of 2010: Photos were leaked via the Internet on the eve of a U.S. defense secretary's visit to Beijing. The not-too-subtle message, as the U.S. follows through with its plans to shift air and naval forces to the Pacific region, is that China's own military modernization is not slowing down.

The first images of the J-31 show that the aircraft is very different from the large, canard-delta J-20. The Shenyang fighter appears to be much smaller than the J-20, with about two-thirds as much installed power. It is a quad-tail design with a moderately swept clipped-delta wing and large canted vertical tails, with a similar overall layout to the Lockheed Martin F-22—but more like the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter in terms of overall size. Weapon bays occupy the entire lower body aft of the inlets and ahead of the engine bays (unlike on the J-20, there are no side bays). Flight controls are conventional, with separate rudders and single-piece flaperons.

As in the case of the J-20, most of the stealth-shaping techniques are very similar to those on Lockheed Martin fighters, but the engine nozzles are conventional. The nozzle shape on the prototype is close to that of the Klimov RD-93 engine installation on the Chengdu JF-17 fighter, minus the tapered “collar” that fairs the latter's nozzle into the aft fuselage. Thrust vectoring has been studied in China but has not yet been demonstrated in flight.

One common feature of the J-20 and J-31 is that both, from images seen to date, appear to be beyond an “X-plane” stage. Both are equipped with weapon bays; both are full-scale demonstrators, and neither appears to use any components of existing aircraft. However, the timing of the development of operational variants and full-scale production remains uncertain. China is continuing the development of conventional non-stealthy fighters, and it remains to be seen when industry there can start producing competitive domestic engines and break the nation's dependency on imported Russian power. (So far, all production JF-17s have been RD-93-powered although a Chinese replacement, the Guizhou WS-13, is under development.)

Although there is no official information campaign for either of China's new stealth fighters, the “unofficial” information campaigns allowed to flourish on the Internet by government authorities have been markedly different, revealing much more about the Shenyang fighter.

In September 2011, China's Aviation Industries Corp. (Avic) sponsored a competition for unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) models at the China Aviation Museum outside Beijing, and as part of the attendant displays, the Shenyang University of Aeronautics and Astronautics (SUAA) presented a model of a twin-engine stealthy fighter with the F-60 designator on the canted vertical stabilizer. SUAA has been involved in UAV, UCAV and now fighter design work for Shenyang.

Late in June, a crudely covered full-scale fighter, without its vertical stabilizers, was openly transported on a flatbed truck from Shenyang to Yanliang Air Base near the major aerospace city of Xian, home of the China Flight Test Establishment of the People's Liberation Army Air Force. At the time, there was speculation that this aircraft was intended for Yanliang's static stress-testing facilities. The aircraft shape was broadly similar to the SUAA model.
 

Air Force Brat

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western analysts will be hemorrhaging blood through their nose

though i doubt if its true, probably just some active research program or model studies

come on paint, our analysts are'nt shaky old ladies, and the Hawkman and his kind, have been ahead of the curve for the last 50 years, they may be a dying breed, but as the song says, "Were not dead yet"!
 
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