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Way oversaturated job market. I dropped out of EE to study biochem. Couldn't get into BioE :(

Where have you tried? In Seattle only or elsewhere? BioE is definitely the future as the 21st century is about biology. You should think seriously about getting into BioE. Also, many schools are just starting to have BioE depts, it should get a little easier. So don't give up just yet.;)
 

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My son's finishing engineering this year in mechantronics, but unlike his friends he's not going to do a masters, because he does'nt like engineering, or business studies, therefore he might do IT.

IT is consistently among the best jobs on various news websites (US news, New York Times and Yahoo). So he's chosen a good one. But don't do programing. My wife is in IT. She says programers get the toughest job and the lowest pay among all IT specialties. And it's diffult to get promotion to managerial positions. Pick something like data base management (MIS) or IT analyst. Of course, if your son loves programing, that would be a totally different story. My philosophy is always to pick what you love to do as a career.
 

bladerunner

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IT is consistently among the best jobs on various news websites (US news, New York Times and Yahoo). So he's chosen a good one. But don't do programing. My wife is in IT. She says programers get the toughest job and the lowest pay among all IT specialties. And it's diffult to get promotion to managerial positions. Pick something like data base management (MIS) or IT analyst. Of course, if your son loves programing, that would be a totally different story. My philosophy is always to pick what you love to do as a career.

I don't think he really knows what he wants to do, after graduating from engineering this year,He's on a scholarship which ties him to this country for the next 2yrs after graduating.

Before accepting the scholarship he was going to join the airforce who would pay for his engineering studies for return of service, but he didn't want to be an officer so he gave that idea away.

I think he's feeling like another poster "TUP", some of the stuff you have to put up with in relation to assignments, and this year alot of the professors are on sabitical leave, with the remaining ones, a little bit dubious in their teaching ability, thus very frustrating.

All in all its a pity though, as his sub interest in mechatronics was robotics, which we thought has a future, but then I suppose you would have to do post grad study, to really get anywhere.

What is bio engineering exactly?, Is it taught as a sub branch of engineering , or is it a science degree qualification?.
I know we have /medical engineering taught here as a engineering sub branch,( with a requirement in a high biology pass mark) but once again very few job opportunities.

At least in IT / computer technician etc, one can be the most dis likeable person in the workplace, but suddenly everyone's best friend when the computers not working:)
 
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I don't think he really knows what he wants to do, after graduating from engineering this year,He's on a scholarship which ties him to this country for the next 2yrs after graduating.

That sounds so familiar. I was in the same boat when I came out of college. I had no idea what I wanted to do. My major was chemistry, but I didn't think there was a future. I even took GMAT, the entry test for business school, along with GRE, just in case. I chose biochemistry because I worked in a Genetic lab for a year and loved what I did. I felt that this was something that I could love to do everyday.

I think he's feeling like another poster "TUP", some of the stuff you have to put up with in relation to assignments, and this year alot of the professors are on sabitical leave, with the remaining ones, a little bit dubious in their teaching ability, thus very frustrating.

My feeling is that doesn't matter what you do, you will eventually have to face the tedious grind. In my case, I absolutely love what I do (membrane biphysics), but some of the day-to-day stuff just drives me nuts, especially the experiments not working. One example would be the technique I used for my Ph.D. thesis. It's SOOOOOO hard that it took me a year and half to get publishable data. Everyday coming to the lab, spending half a day to prepare the experiment and later half actually doing it in a dark room isolated from all things moving (I wanted to measure mechanical force of cell membrane, which is on the level of pica newtons. Anything like talking or even walking nearby might screw up my experiment) and then at the end of the day, the data looks crap. And this would continue day after day for a year and half. Can you imagine the kind of frusttration? One of my labmates actually quit graduate school because he can't stand the frustration. I was actually the lucky one. My mentor used to tell me that when he was in graduate school, the technique he was using was so hard (similar but even harder than the one I used), it only worked for 2 weeks out of 6 years he was in graduate school. In those 2 weeks, he didn't even go home. he camped in the lab and churned out enough data to finish his thesis (I think he once said he worked 2 days straight without having any sleep). I guess what I'm trying to say is that you will have to face the grind if you want to be good at anything. I'm sure no navy SEAL loves hell week, but they have to face it and pass it to get to the part that they love to do.

What is bio engineering exactly?, Is it taught as a sub branch of engineering , or is it a science degree qualification?.
I know we have /medical engineering taught here as a engineering sub branch,( with a requirement in a high biology pass mark) but once again very few job opportunities.

Well, BioE can be biological engineering, or biomedical engineering. It mainly is composed of two parts: using engineering techniques to understand biology (much like in the same sense of biochemistry, i.e. using chemical techniques to study biology); and apply what we know about biology to "make" substances that mimic biological systems (like tissue/organ engineering). most of the BioE professors came from various engineering background, EE, mechanical E chemical E and even aerospace E. In the US, BioE is usually an independent department parallel to any other engineering depts. because of its emphasis on biology, most BioE people actually interact with natural science people lot more than with their engineering colleagues although it still belongs to the college of engineering.

Typically a general engineering background is enough to start. however, like anything in the science discipline, you need to have an advanced degree to have a chance. I think this is a major drawback for science in general. Since it has been so well-developed, 4 years of studying in college cannot get you anywhere. In fact, many people now are getting M.D., Ph.D. combo. That's also why the postdoctoral fellowship is getting longer and longer. It used to 2 years, but now the standard is 4-5 year :mad:

I know we have /medical engineering taught here as a engineering sub branch,( with a requirement in a high biology pass mark) but once again very few job opportunities.

IF you have a biotech industry nearby, that would help.
 
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bladerunner

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NZ's a small country with limited resources for post grad studies/ and employment after in the science/engineering field,after that. Thats why most people do business orientated degrees or law, and the social sciences.

Theres only 4 engineering university here but only two which offer the complete range of engineering courses, and Auckland which my son attends,and Canterbury, which really count, and its only restricted entry, (You have to be a top national student, basically straight A's to qualify).

My beef over here is that, while the Govt can find countless millions to grant everyone the right to a college education and fund ludricrous areas of study, (as they are vote catchers) science is VERY POORLY SERVED.
 
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Where have you tried? In Seattle only or elsewhere? BioE is definitely the future as the 21st century is about biology. You should think seriously about getting into BioE. Also, many schools are just starting to have BioE depts, it should get a little easier. So don't give up just yet.

Yeah, at the University of Washington. Engineering is really competitive, and with our recent budget cuts, all the programs are only getting harder to get into. I've come to the conclusion that I am just not smart enough. I'm not sure if I'm going to stay on the biochem path, I'll be a junior next year so it's still not too late to opt for economics, communications, or accounting.
 

bladerunner

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That sounds so familiar. I was in the same boat when I came out of college. I had no idea what I wanted to do. My major was chemistry, but I didn't think there was a future. .


Its surprising that your parents didnt want you to go to med school.

Its the No1 Asian choice for what parents want of their sons or daughters;), over here.;)
 

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Ok Padawan..what sort of "extra stuff?" Please explain. Thanks!
Let's see: this thing called "Professional Development for Engineers" course that we have to take on all Co-op work terms. Pretty much a bullshitting-essay-writing course that is very tedious, takes a lot of time to do, and useless in real workplace situations. Basically tried to teach you how to be professional but does a horrible job at it. It's bad enough that we don't get summer vacations because of coop, and then they throw this at us so that we have to work on assignments after regular work hours.

it really doesn't help when the school is trying to teach you about ethics and morality while all the people you meet on coop terms worship money like there's no tomorrow.

@bladerunner: I'm in mechatronics too, robotics ftw :roll: but it seems that it's a bit too early for robotics to be a popular engineering field that makes money (i.e. products aimed for civilian use).
 

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Its surprising that your parents didnt want you to go to med school.

Its the No1 Asian choice for what parents want of their sons or daughters;), over here.;)

Believe me, they've tried. AND I have also sreiously thought about it too. My grandpa was a doctor and he has been a role model for me and all my cousins. So I did seriously think about it. But I find doing research is a lot more exciting than seeing patients. I feel more like an explorer when doing research (finding new knowledge and all). After all, I did become a doctor, the other kind of doctor :D

BTW, do you know a comics website about Ph.D.? It's hilarious and true.

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Yeah, at the University of Washington. Engineering is really competitive, and with our recent budget cuts, all the programs are only getting harder to get into. I've come to the conclusion that I am just not smart enough. I'm not sure if I'm going to stay on the biochem path, I'll be a junior next year so it's still not too late to opt for economics, communications, or accounting.

Come on, University of Washington is one of the best public schools in the nation and its Biochem dept is also one of the best. You don't get to go to Washington for not being smart! You should try some other good schools. I've heard so many stories about people (including myself) being denied by a good school, only being accepted by an even better one.
 
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