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I think china investment in Iran can help china achieve domestic supply chain in all industry.
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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I agree with basically most of your points, except the bolded, italicized and underlined words and the idea of prioritization. which are the crux of this debate. Those statements aren't anti-Iran or prioritizing one over the other; both of which implies China is taking a side. They are policies that China will calculate into their foreign policy into dealing with the greater picture of the Middle East; this has never been done in the past. China essentially became the middleman of their conflicts and they will literally force both sides to compromise, which the Arab world is fine with and Iran is not.
Saudi Arabia is not a country willing to compromise much. Have you forgotten their blockade of Qatar or the invasion of Yemen?
China should be careful when talking about island disputes in other regions. Do you really want to hear more countries giving their opinion on the south china sea disputes?
They clearly made some anti Iran statements by getting involved in the island question, but I doubt China actually means it. These are just some empty words to keep the Arab side happy. It would be great if China actually tried to be a middleman and force all sides to make compromises. But it looks more like they are falling into the same trap that the US fell into and getting dragged into other people's ideological struggles.
Wonderful, that's exactly the kind of strongman gov't that would work with China.
They are going to do it if they want.
China doesn't want to get involved in the situation, but it needs to say what it has to say to get the Arabs on its side. China doesn't need to be a middleman. It needs to develop good relationship with all of Sunni Arab world. Why is this so hard to understand. Iran is one country and Sunni Arab world is many countries. Iran is a pariah. China can keep trading with Iran, but only if the term is in China's favor.
what are you talking about? China is developing good relationship with Turkey. The greatest threat in Xinjiang actually comes from Afghanistan right now. Hence, China needs to stabilize Afghanistan.
Every Pakistan gov't will be pro-China. The entire Pakistani army depends on China.
why does this need to be a fair relationship? China is a powerhouse and Iran is a pariah. Nobody wants to do business with Iran. If Iran wants love from China, it needs to do things China's way.
You want to look at things from Iran's perspective. I frankly don't care about their feelings or anything like that. If they want China to help them, they need to bring things to the table rather than just abandoning China every time the West looks at them.
lol, the Pakistan military is entirely aligned with China. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't trash China's most loyal partner. I don't care if CPEC is progressing slowly due to domestic Pakistani incompetence. I do care that the presence of Chabahar will make it tougher to Gwadar. So, I want to make sure China's investment in Gwadar can work over time and that will partly involve undercutting Chabahar.
That's fine. China has good relations with Iran also. But it will side with Sunni Arab countries for all the reasons we have already talked about. It doesn't need to be a fair partner to Iran.
This is redundant What buffer zone and what Xinjiang? Nobody has ever wanted Xinjiang or to take lands from China. Okay lets just assume someone takes Xinjiang? then who is gonna populate it some Snow leopards? because there is not enough Uighurs to populate that vast lands and some of them might even die in the liberation so now you kicked back china who is gonna populate it? Snow leopards?. The Uighurs are a very microscopically tiny minority in China which is why no muslim truly has interests in China.. 8m million want to carve a land out of 1.4 billion it is not logisitcally feasible and never was and as an example it is like the 200.000 something jews in Turkey carving out a massive land out of TURKEY.. It has never been in the calculus of any muslim state or entity.
Even the Islamic law doesn't permit war in that situation in Islam if your a insignificiant minority you can't compete for land because it is forbidden but given permission to leave that area and make something called Hijra meaning migrate if you want change if not you stay in that country and live side by side by the majority but it is prohibited to rebel against the authority on such specific areas the same in Europe and In ratio wise it would be like China trying to take parts of Indonesia for it's like few million chinese descandants who are barely 4m against the nearly 300m indonesians or muslims trying to carve out a territory the size of Texas out of the US. It has never been a thing. All this East Turkestan stuff is only coming from few disaporas in the west who are supported by the west.
There are 51 muslim majority countries and how many more countries do people assume we want? We are already overstreached and alot of empty spaces in these 51 countries already and can't be filled out? why more? the Uighurs who don't like the Chinese way of life they move away to other countries and these who like China move towards the mainland to compete for the market.
But someone wanting to take that region is nonesensical and if someone wanted you would have never stopped hearing about it and in your face type of claims and you would have known.. Forget Kashmir there is claim on all of India and the Indians know it because they have been hearing it nonstop where they just got tired of it. Not one single state lay claim on any China provinces outside of Japan
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That article explains a lot, especially why China might want to bin Iran in favour of GCC. Also interesting that USA is effectively paying for the security of China's oil supply. I wonder what the US would say if China told them "OK, we'll take over now, you can pack up and go home"?
Iran last cards were JCPOA which would allow Chinese companies to capture the Iranian market, and Iran being anti-west.
So lets see where we are now, JCPOA is dead, and the Gulf States are now moving out of the American orbit themselves. If before, China only had Iran to balance US influence in Middle East, now it is starting to have the Gulf States as well.
Supply and Demand. Before we had 1 supplier of anti-western camp, now we are getting more and more countries trying to balance out US influence.
China can and will work with all type of governments that are friendly and are willing to work constructively for better relationships.
Because China is also pro-Pakistan, a trusted friend of Pakistan and have a fair relationship with each other.
Because fair relationship is better, lasts longer, and creates better respects for each other. Iran is pariah in a sense that China is because of biased media attacks and propaganda against it but Iran is less able to defend itself economically, politically and militarily. China will works the best ways it can with Iran and it will not backstab/disadvantages Iran for any possible gain from Saudi Arabia.