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Abominable

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tphuang said:
You won't get closer relationship with Sunni countries unless you show you are willing to pick them over Iran. Remember, your top ally Pakistan also has a problem with Iran.
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Pakistan is Islamic so they have skin in the game. There's no reason why China can't be friendly with both like Russia is.
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It doesn't matter what the underlying issue is. What matters is that Iran is engaging in proxy wars to further shiite influence in the middle east. These proxy wars have been very damaging for GCC countries. They have shown themselves desperate for attention from the west while not appreciating what China had done for them.
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Iran supporting proxies one of the underlying problems, just like Gulf states being pro-western and showing indifference to Israel.

Bringing the Yemen war to an end was a big step towards that Now the same needs to happen in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

It may seem far fetched, but countries that were historically enmities do sometimes go on to become friends. UK France, Germany & France, the Scandinavian countries.
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how many military deals between China and Saudi Arabia have been made public? Did the DF-21 deal get reported? We will find out in a few years what they've actually concluded.
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You could be right, although with nuclear capable ballistic missiles you can understand the reason for secrecy. Arms deals involving fighter jets, tanks and other weapons are usually not a secret.
 
Arnies

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There's no reason why China should have to pick between Iran and the Gulf. It's a dumb conflict that only benefits Israel and the west.

My understanding of Iranians is they are unhappy with the Gulf countries because of their dependence on the western their westernisation and their (indirect) support of Israel. Replace western support for the Gulf states with Chinese support and that goes away. The theological dimension is overblown and exploited by the west. No Arab country had a problem with Iran before the anti western Islamic revolution. Furthermore Iran had Sunni countries like Libya as allies.

Saudis need to acknowledge that whether they like it or not, Iran will eventually become a nuclear power. They need nuclear weapons of their own, which will be impossible given how dependent they've made themselves on America.

Overall, I'm a little disappointed by the recent summit. Economic cooperation is fine, but I was expecting a much bigger military deal. Drones are small fish. Either Saudis aren't quite ready to ditch western platforms or China isn't ready to export the latest and most advanced weaponry.
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The Iranians are unhappy because they feel somehow overshadowed not because of westernisation. Iran's case doesn't have anything to do with ideology but rather an ancient racial goal of the persians who perviously had lost out to the Arabs mainly the arabs from GCC in the 6th century for persians it is to recover that golden age and the Arabs want their golden age to be re-newed.

The Saudis will attain Nuclear weapons without a doubt and their FM just highlighted this 3 days ago to everyone making it public that all bets are off the table. they will go Nuclear within mere days after Iran gains a break-out. Egypt and Turkey will do something similar.

But eventually Iran has to see here the bigger picture and align herself with them or stand to lose out. Example Iran going with Russia didn't actully help Russia but technically helped NATO who will have support from the other rivals of Iran by default.

This will also create a suspicion of Russia and why they are allying themselves with a rouge element in the region. Now Morocco and other countries in the region are slowly beginning to support Ukraine with military aid hence the repercussions is emerging.

The Issues with Iran is that it has behaved like a rouge element funding unsanctioned groups which technically doesn't even benefit them because majority of the time it leads to these non-state actors coming under suffering themselves you just can't go against state actors with endless resources you gain nothing but in recent trend Iran is stepping away from all this and relations are slowly improving.

They were even outsmarted by Israel that has aligned themselves with regional players against Iran instead of Iran doing the opposite how can you even bottle that much.. Leading to the Abraham Accord which is a tribal accord Adnani arabs and Israelites are blood brothers meaning descendants from Abraham meaning (Qatar, Kuwait, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Jordan and Oman) These 8 countries are the only living progeny of Abraham despite being of different faiths and ideology what unites them is their kinship under the house of Abraham
 
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Arnies said:
The Iranians are unhappy because they feel somehow overshadowed not because of westernisation. Iran's case doesn't have anything to do with ideology but rather an ancient racial goal of the persians who perviously had lost out to the Arabs mainly the arabs from GCC in the 6th century for persians it is to recover that golden age and the Arabs want their golden age to be re-newed.

The Saudis will attain Nuclear weapons without a doubt and their FM just highlighted this 3 days ago to everyone making it public that all bets are off the table. they will go Nuclear within mere days after Iran gains a break-out. Egypt and Turkey will do something similar.

But eventually Iran has to see here the bigger picture and align herself with them or stand to lose out. Example Iran going with Russia didn't actully help Russia but technically helped NATO who will have support from the other rivals of Iran by default.

This will also create a suspicion of Russia and why they are allying themselves with a rouge element in the region. Now Morocco and other countries in the region are slowly beginning to support Ukraine with military aid hence the repercussions is emerging.

The Issues with Iran is that it has behaved like a rouge element funding unsanctioned groups which technically doesn't even benefit them because majority of the time it leads to these non-state actors coming under suffering themselves you just can't go against state actors with endless resources you gain nothing but in recent trend Iran is stepping away from all this and relations are slowly improving.

They were even outsmarted by Israel that has aligned themselves with regional players against Iran instead of Iran doing the opposite how can you even bottle that much.. Leading to the Abraham Accord which is a tribal accord Adnani arabs and Israelites are blood brothers meaning descendants from Abraham meaning (Qatar, Kuwait, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Jordan and Oman) These 8 countries are the only living progeny of Abraham despite being of different faiths and ideology what unites them is their kinship under the house of Abraham
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Iran's rationale is less important than the fact that they need to compete successfully for China's support. Either they can or they can't.
 
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Xi’s China-GCC summit success in Riyadh raises temperatures in Iran​

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  • In a meeting in Tehran with the Iranian president, Chinese vice-premier Hu Chunhua hears ‘complaints of the nation’
  • Iran’s ‘strong dissatisfaction’ was also made clear to China’s ambassador a day after the Riyadh summit
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Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi has “seriously demanded compensation” for his country over last week’s summit between Arab leaders and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Riyadh.
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lol

In a meeting with Chinese vice-premier Hu Chunhua in Tehran on Tuesday, Raisi said some of the positions raised during Xi’s meetings with the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) “caused dissatisfaction and complaints of the nation and the government”.
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The statement from the Iranian presidential office did not give details of what compensation may be sought and did not refer directly to Friday’s declaration by China and the GCC.
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That's good, they did a favour to China here /s
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
The solution for Iran is to prove itself a good ally to China rather than complain. Dragging feet on deals has consequences.
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Iran is bombing Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure. That should tell you enough about how good of an "ally" they are. Nothing bad about being ambitious but they should have a bottom line and attacking Saudi Arabia like that is surely breaching all sorts of China's bottom/black/red lines. No oil = no economy
 
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Overbom said:
Iran is bombing Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure. That should tell you enough about how good of an "ally" they are. Nothing bad about being ambitious but they should have a bottom line and attacking Saudi Arabia like that is surely breaching all sorts of China's bottom/black/red lines. No oil = no economy
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Oh my. It is Saudi Arabia that invade Yemen for years.

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At the time, Saudi Arabia was planning an escalation of the war. I am not saying that bombing Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure is a good thing, I am saying that they are doing a reasonable move, to show Saudi Arabia that if they want an escalation, Yemeni Houthis can destroy their important infrastructure. As a result, finally, Saudi Arabia is urging peace talks.

2022/3/25: Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure attacked
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2022/4/07: peace talk
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See, just in no more than 15 days.
Again, people in this forum seem like many others, regard Iran and its ally as a bunch of suicide boomer madmen. They are not. They are also human. They want to enjoy their life (different than others by their religious belief, but certainly do not include becoming suicide boomers) like everyone else.
 
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In the Middle East China's preference is for the status quo, which is good for business. Beijing gets a lot more from working with the GCC than Iran. China's engagement with Saudi Arabia and UAE were are far deeper and broader levels than with Iran:
Two issues appear to be hampering China-Iran relations. First, negotiations to restore the JCPOA have failed. With sanctions in place, Iran has struggled to attract Chinese investment and cooperation, especially when compared to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. As I argued in March, economic ties are a pillar of the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership (CSP) that China and Iran have devised, but relaunching economic relations between the two countries requires successful nuclear diplomacy and the lifting of US secondary sanctions
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Today, the prospects for implementing the CSP are nill and China-Iran trade is continuing to languish at around $1 billion in total value per month.
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China-Iran relations have seesawed plenty over the years, but the outcome of Xi’s visit to Saudi Arabia suggests a new and more negative outlook for bilateral ties. While Iran tries in vain to “turn East,” China may be shifting away.
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Arnies

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Oh my. It is Saudi Arabia that invade Yemen for years.

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At the time, Saudi Arabia was planning an escalation of the war. I am not saying that bombing Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure is a good thing, I am saying that they are doing a reasonable move, to show Saudi Arabia that if they want an escalation, Yemeni Houthis can destroy their important infrastructure. As a result, finally, Saudi Arabia is urging peace talks.

2022/3/25: Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure attacked
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2022/4/07: peace talk
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See, just in no more than 15 days.
Again, people in this forum seem like many others, regard Iran and its ally as a bunch of suicide boomer madmen. They are not. They are also human. They want to enjoy their life (different than others by their religious belief, but certainly do not include becoming suicide boomers) like everyone else.
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The Saudis invaded Yemen but it was due to provocations and civilian uprisings against the current Yemen gov't and the anti-regime elements didn't realize the costs it would cost them later and had they known they wouldn't have done it.

The Saudis were forced to react which they did forcefully without putting troops on the ground by aiding the local government armed forces with weapons and using airforce.. The anti-regime elements were forced to sollow a reality they couldn't believe they will find themselves in a post apocalyptic world they really paid the price signficiantly.

The Saudis were accused of atrocities in the later stages because they became less patient with the uprising and forced to become like that and just applied scorched earth which devastated the areas under anti-regime elements to unrecognizable pile. the saudis replied with bringing down whole cities alltogether on top of a blockade by land and sea.

The message was clear to them that the regime, Islah, Southern separatists and Tribal elements allied to the Hadi Gov't weren't going anywhere.

Such heavy handness provides security for the future so that uprising become something almost unheard off like myth because people will know that the cost is just to much to give and Yemen is a living example of that.

The Anti-regime elements were very stubborn to begin with refusing all peace approaches but until they realized holy shxt nobody will remain of us here if we continue this which was the ground reality. These people should remain on their lands peacefully and they accepted the ceasefire which have settled things down and shall remain to be so. Take peace not death.. It is also a great message one can learn from to not rebel against own governments and instiutions
 
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