Socialist in LatAM: Big on RHETORIC with LITTLE TO NO RESULTS BUT CORRUPTION. Essentially they're the same as the old guy (Fascist right wing) which greases different folks.
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To better illustrate my standing point, I will tell something I learnt. I am a rescure diver. My trainer told me, a drowning person is in panic, dangerous to anyone near him, the first choice is to throw some rope or stick within his reach, the second is approaching him from behind, hold him with one of your arm from his under arm and keep him locked by the shoulder on the other side, if you are in danger, push him away. During the demo in water, I was hit by my trainer (acting as drowning) to the head and swallowed sea water. It is not a good experience.
All these instructions are pretty "cold hearted" risk calculations, but they save people both the drowning person and anyone who try to help. I am only talking from this perspective having nothing "against" Argentinian population or a drowning person.
I haven't been to Argentina, but been to Germany multiple times and lived with locals in a working class neighbourhood. 30% of Germans voted for Hitler in the first round of election. Not saying Argentina is turning to anything like Nazi, but the kind of frustration and "valid" reasons for it is very comparible.
All these instructions are pretty "cold hearted" risk calculations, but they save people both the drowning person and anyone who try to help. I am only talking from this perspective having nothing "against" Argentinian population or a drowning person.
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I haven't been to Argentina, but been to Germany multiple times and lived with locals in a working class neighbourhood. 30% of Germans voted for Hitler in the first round of election. Not saying Argentina is turning to anything like Nazi, but the kind of frustration and "valid" reasons for it is very comparible.
I know, I have a very nice friend from Argentina.
I think the other 60% Argentinian voters would agree with me though. There is always a portion of population being extreme, but 30% is dangerous and therefor my concern.
I fully understand people's frustration of what they have experienced, but turning to a crazy idea is never the solution no matter the experience or feeling, pre-WWII Germany was a perfect example, an example I wanted but avoided to raise in my earlier post.
That is exactly what my concern is.
See my comparison to pre-WWII Germany. People in desperation is in panic, most of time panic leads to disater not salvation, like a drowning person.
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We have the similiar state of mind in Germany right now.
Relatively seen we are still better of than Argentinia, but everybody and their grandma knows how shit the current german politics are.
Any non establishment party will get all those frustrated voters.
This out of the system party is AfD. But AfD is quite Extremist and racist. Yet they brand themselves as alternative for germany, so people put their hopes on them.
They are neither green nor leftist, nor the old right. And the voting predictions get them 25%.
Now last week one of the leaders of the leftist Party "Die Linke" , Sahra Wagenknecht, founded a new , left leaning, but really more realist, party which offers new ideas, not normally advocated by the old leftists.
Leftists of "Die Linke" have been compromised by american psyOp values (e.g. gender theory ,critical race theory) , which have expelled tradiitional leftist ideas of social equality in a sense of financial equality.
So any degree of desperation will inevitably lead to a new hitler in a democracy of western style.
On a side note:
With AfD and BSW (the new Party by Sahra Wagenknecht) we now have two parties in germany, where the leadership of the party are very pro-China.
Alice Weidel of AfD has worked in China and speaks Chinese and has called for better sino-german cooperation, even for B&R participation. Sahra Wagenknecht of BSW is one of the old left, so naturally pro-China.
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I have watched speeches in the Bundestag by both Sahra Wagenknecht and Alice Weidel, they are great and charismatic and touched the very root of problems, I wish Alice Weidel could walk away from AfD's extemeist agenda and join Sahra Wagenknecht, just my wish though.
if you have no idea what's going on in Argentina and have never been there, then I suggest that you just stop your judgement of it. And no, having spent time in Germany does not give you the right to talk down on Argentina.
anyway, in terms of China's relationship with West Asia, the one with Turkey is interesting to see. Erdogan had a short flirtation with the West after the election and now he is back being the most anti-West head imaginable. I see something brewing here
interesting chart from the other Western Asia power. Back to exporting 1.8m bpd to China via sea. These must be some really cheap oil. But for Iran, this is a great source of income.
1.8m bpd = 54m bpm. Even at $60/barrel. This is $3B income
interesting chart from the other Western Asia power. Back to exporting 1.8m bpd to China via sea. These must be some really cheap oil. But for Iran, this is a great source of income.
1.8m bpd = 54m bpm. Even at $60/barrel. This is $3B income
You seem to have some very particular biases about which countries you like, like Saudi Arabia and apparently Argentina, while disliking Iran, which doesn't necessarily match Chinese foreign policy. It's ok to have preferences, but maybe you should reflect on these strong preferences?
Argentina is obviously a very risky bet. Foreign investors have been disappointed many times. The keep getting more and more IMF money without any ability to repay or grow the economy. They've gone from a relatively rich and powerful nation that could pick a fight with an at the time declining great power like the UK to a poor country asking for help around the world.
The fact is that Argentina has been ruled very badly for decades and has been in crisis for as long as I can remember, and the population is partly to blame for that. Just like how we can credit the Chinese population for the success of the new China or how we can credit the Saudi subjects for accepting the dictatorship for prosperity deal and criticise the Iranians for rejecting the same deal and ending up invaded and poorer as a result. The Pakistanis are also responsible for their poor economic development compared to India and Bangladesh, despite all the help they've been getting from China.
People get the government they deserve. There are wonderful people in every country. Argentina has many great people, but why is the country such a failure? China has previously already made a big bet on socialist Venezuela and it hasn't turned out that well. We might see that repeat in Argentina. Socialism in Asia is not the same as socialism in South America. One works, the other is a failure
A huge part, if not the biggest, part of why Argentina is what it is, is due to the US CIA operations in that country.
The US would never tolerate a strong and independent country in South America. I mean, look into South America, which country is an economically and politically prosperous country?
What are the chances that the people of dozens of countries are simultaneously not good/smart etc? What's the common denominator among them? Just one, they have the bad luck of being in the same hemisphere as the US. Simple as that
Because of this, I don't blame the people. As.I said in the beginning, CIA and Argentinian elites (useful idiots or just CIA stooges) are the primary cause of Argentine's current situation. So, people can vote whoever they want, enact whatever policy they want, as long as these problems remain, they won't change a thing
This is what happens when all the Asset Support™ gets diverted to a certain region in West Asia
It's not about which country I like or don't like.
It's not up to me who China becomes friends with. It's up to Argentina to pick its leaders.
I have a problem with making certain assumptions about a country and its people if you've never been there and seen what the country has dealt with
Remember, who I say China to befriend or not befriend is based on strategic reasons. I don't think I have made commentaries on who Iran should have its leaders. I haven't been there and I don't know. Any comment I make about Iranian leadership is based on whether or not I think its wise for China to establish closer relationship with them.
China's policies wrt Argentina is driven by its general desires to have better relationship with Latin America, cultivating those markets for its exports & importing large quantity of its resources & product. If Argentina does infrastructure project and hire Chinese contractors, that provides jobs for Chinese companies.
Not so unlike China's policies with other global south countries.