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Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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reposting article from economics thread. Very interesting here
several major deals here from China to industrialize Saudi Arabia.
i'm completely comfortable with China sharing its tech with Saudi Arabia, since that's the fastest way to get the Saudis to adopt Chinese standards and technology
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Giving SCO cold shoulder not a wise strategic decision for India
By Long Xingchun and Wang Geyan Published: Jun 13, 2023 07:47 PM
A man walks past the media center at the venue of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers' meeting in Goa on May 4, 2023.Photo: AFP
The 22nd summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Council of Heads of State hosted by India will be held in the virtual format on July 4. After being held online from 2020 to 2021 because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the SCO summit resumed its in-person form in 2022, with the SCO foreign and defense ministers having already met each other face-to-face in India. India's sudden announcement on May 30 that the SCO Heads of State meeting will be held in the virtual format without explaining the reasons has surprised and puzzled the international community.
Moreover, after New Delhi's announcement, some voices in India started to analyze why the SCO summit has turned virtual. Some believe it is "due to its structural flaws," claiming that "the SCO is a gathering of nations mostly tied closely to China and Russia." "By moving the SCO summit to a virtual mode, India is sending out a message that groupings dominated by China are no longer New Delhi's priority," argues a retired major general of the Indian Army, who thinks this also sends a signal that India's priority is the G20.
See link for the entire article.
Giving SCO cold shoulder not a wise strategic decision for India
By Long Xingchun and Wang Geyan Published: Jun 13, 2023 07:47 PM
A man walks past the media center at the venue of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers' meeting in Goa on May 4, 2023.Photo: AFP
The 22nd summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Council of Heads of State hosted by India will be held in the virtual format on July 4. After being held online from 2020 to 2021 because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the SCO summit resumed its in-person form in 2022, with the SCO foreign and defense ministers having already met each other face-to-face in India. India's sudden announcement on May 30 that the SCO Heads of State meeting will be held in the virtual format without explaining the reasons has surprised and puzzled the international community.
Moreover, after New Delhi's announcement, some voices in India started to analyze why the SCO summit has turned virtual. Some believe it is "due to its structural flaws," claiming that "the SCO is a gathering of nations mostly tied closely to China and Russia." "By moving the SCO summit to a virtual mode, India is sending out a message that groupings dominated by China are no longer New Delhi's priority," argues a retired major general of the Indian Army, who thinks this also sends a signal that India's priority is the G20.
See link for the entire article.
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Giving SCO cold shoulder not a wise strategic decision for India
By Long Xingchun and Wang Geyan Published: Jun 13, 2023 07:47 PM
A man walks past the media center at the venue of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers' meeting in Goa on May 4, 2023.Photo: AFP
The 22nd summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Council of Heads of State hosted by India will be held in the virtual format on July 4. After being held online from 2020 to 2021 because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the SCO summit resumed its in-person form in 2022, with the SCO foreign and defense ministers having already met each other face-to-face in India. India's sudden announcement on May 30 that the SCO Heads of State meeting will be held in the virtual format without explaining the reasons has surprised and puzzled the international community.
Moreover, after New Delhi's announcement, some voices in India started to analyze why the SCO summit has turned virtual. Some believe it is "due to its structural flaws," claiming that "the SCO is a gathering of nations mostly tied closely to China and Russia." "By moving the SCO summit to a virtual mode, India is sending out a message that groupings dominated by China are no longer New Delhi's priority," argues a retired major general of the Indian Army, who thinks this also sends a signal that India's priority is the G20.
See link for the entire article.
In the meantime, may I suggest that India should leave BRICS as well. The "I" in BRICS can be taken over by Indonesia or Iran.
Besides, why even bother having India in BRICS and SCO when New Delhi is already part of QUAD and firmly entrenched with NATO+? The further India keeps dragging on with their presence in BRICS and SCO, the more road bumps caused by India's very presence in those organizations that will turn into landmines for other members of the BRICS and SCO.
because India is a big country. Just having India around and promoting multi-polarity is a good thing.
for the life of me, I cannot see how India's presence in the Quad has caused any real issues for China. I do see that having India in the BRICS and SCO has led to more desire from other countries to join NDB, BRICS+ and to de-dollarize.
India just acting in its own interest is a net plus for China.
I mean how much trouble can India cause for China? Don't fall for the neocon belief that India somehow can counterbalance militarily. You know who can counterbalance India? Pakistan
SCO is a security pact not a political and economical block. India is irrelevant for SCO. I would argue without India, SCO could probably function and evolve to a better and more integrated security pact that has far more potential. Right now, SCO is somewhat useless and toothless and slowly became irrelevant
On the other hand, BRICS is a political, economical, and diplomatical block that should include India even though India would probably sabotage BRICS. However, BRICS has lot more potential to become a rival of G7 as its memberships expand and functions evolve. India's involvement as a major regional power would give BRICS more credibility and plurality. But again, India won't be a contributor but a distraction and hindrance.
On the other hand, BRICS is a political, economical, and diplomatical block that should include India even though India would probably sabotage BRICS. However, BRICS has lot more potential to become a rival of G7 as its memberships expand and functions evolve. India's involvement as a major regional power would give BRICS more credibility and plurality. But again, India won't be a contributor but a distraction and hindrance.
this would seem like a simple thing they can do that would bring a lot of positive press in Arab countries and Muslim world in general while costing not much money
China should have some summits where diplomats from India and China are forced to meet, just to avoid mistrust getting too bad. But there should be a mechanism to make progress without India. You can't allow India to block initiatives. So both SCO and BRICS should have something similar to the concept of multi speed Europe in EU integration. But while India is a member, it will be difficult to turn the SCO into an anti American alliance
Both BRICS and SCO were formed at a time that the world is a lot different. Beside, China never wanted to invite India to SCO in the first place but Russia insisted that India should be invited to counter weight China's growing influence which China was forced to accept but also asked Pakistan to join. By the time both India and Pakistan have joined the SCO security pact, SCO has become irrelevant. Archrival such as India and Pakistan can't join the same group of framework that is dedicated to security without rendering any security agreement impossible to agree and progress. Unlike BRICS, SCO had more potential to form an alliance to counter the West if India didn't join.
As for BRICS, I doubt China would have predicted India would choose a path of populist policies and leaders. Modi is a populist leader that doesn't care much for pragmatism or long term planning. China is working to expand BRICS to dilute India's influence to the BRICS. By creating BRICS bank in Shanghai, China has ensured that India has little say in many future economic cooperation or framework. In the end of the day, China has money and India doesn't have money. Other political and diplomatical agreements probably can progress as most nations just want to shield themselves from G7 and Western powers' hegemony and abuse of powers and financial sanctions.
I doubt BRICS can be formed as anti-American alliance even if India didn't join. Most countries just don't want to choose a side in the future power struggle between the US and China. However, it is quite possible BRICS can develop into a pact that could ensure any Western sanctions would become irrelevant. BRICS might be able to provide an alternative to the Western financial hegemony that countries would have a choice other than IMF and World bank that imposed Western policies and will and interests onto any borrowing countries and forced them to accept radical and painful reforms or disposed state owned assets.