Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher

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CHNPHD

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An AH-4 but vehicle-mounted SPH prototype

The chassis is very similar to PCL161

The original video was shot in 2021 and was only recently noticed

This product does not seem to be put on the export market yet （Lets see ZhuHai 2024）

I personally have a guess that the PLA also has an intention to unify the current artillery into 155mm caliber but i can't verify this idea

In the end PCL161 was chosen

Source : Weibo @炮霸707军情小站
 
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by78

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A different recoil spade design for wheeled self-propelled howitzers. It self-taps, meaning it digs into the ground by itself (from recoil), thereby eliminating the need to prepare the ground beforehand by digging holes for the spade to rest in.

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tankphobia

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by78 said:
A better version of a previously shared image of the 155mm SH16 unmanned artillery turret.

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True shoot and scoot is essential in modern threat landscape. Unmanned turret allows for quick barrage before disengaging, minimising risk of getting spotted by UAVs. I would not be surprised if this eventually gets developed into a fully autonomous system with self driving capabilities.
 
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tankphobia said:
True shoot and scoot is essential in modern threat landscape. Unmanned turret allows for quick barrage before disengaging, minimising risk of getting spotted by UAVs. I would not be surprised if this eventually gets developed into a fully autonomous system with self driving capabilities.
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Sorry but shoot and scoot doesn't work well anymore in the age of drone warfare. SPGs are spotted by their movement, often intercepted in transit. The larger bulk of their vehicles makes them easier to spot in the air. The heat from the engines makes them easy to spot with night vision.

We have a revival of towed artillery because towed artillery are easier to conceal, even if it's not foolproof.
 
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Tam said:
Sorry but shoot and scoot doesn't work well anymore in the age of drone warfare. SPGs are spotted by their movement, often intercepted in transit. The larger bulk of their vehicles makes them easier to spot in the air. The heat from the engines makes them easy to spot with night vision.

We have a revival of towed artillery because towed artillery are easier to conceal, even if it's not foolproof.
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Enemy drones are not supposed to overfly your convoys

Shoot and scoot is essential against competent oponents with counter-battery radars.
 
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Tam

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Enemy drones are not supposed to overfly your convoys

Shoot and scoot is essential against competent oponents with counter-battery radars.
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Not supposed?

But they do. And they can do it relentlessly, as UAVs can fly higher than MANPADS but cost far less, by magnitudes, than the SAM needed to take them down. Unless you can dramatically reduce the cost of the SAM and deploy them in large numbers in vehicles.

Competent opponent today will send a drone to where the counterbattery radar says the opposing artillery is. They no longer just fire at it. The drone will identify the target, and direct or adjust artillery to it. But that's only option one.

Option 2 is the drone is a loitering or barrage ammunition itself, and attacks the SPG directly.

Option 3. Drone is a recon unit and calls for a loitering drone.

Option 4. Drone tracks the SPG to it's hiding place and the opponent destroys both the SPG and the hanger it tried to hide into, using Option 3, 5, and 6. Or maybe a guided, winged bomb.

Option 5. Drone finds SPG, sends GPS coordinates, and a missile or a guided munition is headed to that location.

Option 6. Drone lights up the target with a laser, and a laser guided artillery shell will drop on it.

None of these are theoretical. They happen all the time in the Ukraine War. Every single day. Countless SPGs and mobile MLRS are already destroyed from this. On top of all other mobile units with tracks and wheels getting blown up.
 
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Tam said:
Not supposed?

But they do. And they can do it relentlessly, as UAVs can fly higher than MANPADS but cost far less, by magnitudes, than the SAM needed to take them down. Unless you can dramatically reduce the cost of the SAM and deploy them in large numbers in vehicles.

Competent opponent today will send a drone to where the counterbattery radar says the opposing artillery is. They no longer just fire at it. The drone will identify the target, and direct or adjust artillery to it. But that's only option one.

Option 2 is the drone is a loitering or barrage ammunition itself, and attacks the SPG directly.

Option 3. Drone is a recon unit and calls for a loitering drone.

Option 4. Drone tracks the SPG to it's hiding place and the opponent destroys both the SPG and the hanger it tried to hide into, using Option 3, 5, and 6. Or maybe a guided, winged bomb.

Option 5. Drone finds SPG, sends GPS coordinates, and a missile or a guided munition is headed to that location.

Option 6. Drone lights up the target with a laser, and a laser guided artillery shell will drop on it.

None of these are theoretical. They happen all the time in the Ukraine War. Every single day. Countless SPGs and mobile MLRS are already destroyed from this. On top of all other mobile units with tracks and wheels getting blown up.
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The solution to that sort of threat is meant to be the HQ-17 or the Tor. Those systems are designed to handle PGMs ABTs and Rotary Wing threats at a reasonable range and carry a good sized magazine of cheap missiles. Why they have been unable to handle the drone threat in Ukraine is probably due to poor usage and density.
 
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