Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)
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Augustine's Law Number XLVIII
The more time you spend talking about what you have been doing, the less time you have to spend doing what you have been talking about. Eventually, you spend more and more time talking about less and less until finally you spend all your time talking about nothing.
Russia and India needs to ink the final agreement so that they can actually go about producing the plane rather than talking about the plane.
Right, and after looking again you have significant aft fuse burn through of the outer skin, that's also where the wing carry through spar lives, as well as one of the nerve centers of the aircraft, as there are so many wiring junctions, has anybody here seen what heat does to wiring, more specifically the insulation and plastic housings for relays and microswitches... Now imagine what that has done to just the flight control system alone. Now, if you were to pull a center fuse off the prototype production que, and remove the forward fuse, wing struction, stabilators and vertical stabilator, likely even the aft fuselage, main and nose gear.
If the pilot was sharp and pulled the main fuse bus, there is every likely hood that the electronics in those structures may have been spared, and function correctly, in fact with any type of fire on an aircraft, the first step on the ground is to pull the master switch, which shuts down every electrical system on the aircraft, There is no doubt that the smart thing to do would be to replace the center fuselage/wing center section and rebuild this aircraft, and return the usable bits to the fleet, it would likely be renumbered 055, lots of work, and expensive, but that would save new wings, gear structure, tail feathers, it would just save some real money, and more importantly time--- the "only thing" that would stop this process is if the damage to these parts are greater than it appears in these photos--electronics hate heat and moisture.
b787
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wow this is Rostec and the news are from 27th January 2015 if they have 5 aircraft flying either they have a new aircraft or 055 is already repaired
Or they are playing Russian Roulette, as we are rather certain 01, nor 055 are not up and running, they may have four prototypes with the latest rolled of the airlifter, but I don't think that aircraft has made its first flight???
my Daddy taught me that with a Zippo cigarette lighter, "now ya see it, now ya don't"????
and my brother 787, I'm just prognosticating on the basis of my nearly half century of watching this little Russian/US game, I remember my Dad not coming home during the Cuban missle crisis, and my Mom got out a large map, and showed me where Cuba was, I was six at the time, I am 58 now? I am also a student of the Bible, I see the Prince of the North, but I don't see the USA??? anyway I digress, but when it comes to Russia my Daddy's own sage advice was, "Don't believe anything you hear???, and only half of what you see???" this was not specifically directed at Russia, but life in general. IMHO it is certainly applicable here???
No doubt our Russian brothers are going forward with PAK-FA, and our Indian Brothers are helping to finance that venture, I am a big big fan of PAK-FA!
No ... they only won't admit that 055 is dead !Again ... I won't rate the Rostec site a Bible-like site telling all the truth ... if Yes, then the T-50 must have silently made a dramatic change in its external configuration as shown on this "official" Rostec image:
Deino
b787
Captain
well it could be, they just made a generalization but i have read Sukhoi reports where they mention they have built 5 aircraft but 4 are currently flying, however here Rostec says 5 are flying
this was a surprise to me because official Russian sources admitted the 4 flying 051, 052, 053 and 054 were replacing 055 for the flight tests.But now rostec says 5 flying prototypes, once a read in aviaforum a russian language forum a comment that i think here it has never said 055 might be damaged to limit its max g capacity but not to limit it as testing avionics, i think that it might happen, 055 might not fly the whole envelop, just test electronics with no high Gs to the airframe, but well that was just an opinion from a poster
officially Rostec is saying 5 flying protoypes, if it is true wait a few weeks or months and we might see 055 once more
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Zool
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A couple of quick questions for b787 and the Russian perspective on T-50 going forward:
- With reports of serial production and delivery being slated to begin next year, does this mean the current airframe configuration has been locked in as final?
- What kind of aircraft manufacture numbers are expected once serial production has begun (# per year and also total # expected in this serial build before a possible airframe refresh/redesign is looked at)?
Appreciate your insights.
- With reports of serial production and delivery being slated to begin next year, does this mean the current airframe configuration has been locked in as final?
- What kind of aircraft manufacture numbers are expected once serial production has begun (# per year and also total # expected in this serial build before a possible airframe refresh/redesign is looked at)?
Appreciate your insights.
I'm rather certain that 051 is at the very least on a limited flying schedule, on the other hand, many of the F-35s have been as well, and if the wings, stabs, nose, landing gear and instrumentation of 055 are usable, they will no doubt pull a center fuse and rebuild it, if its economically possible, and as you say we should know that in the next weeks or months. We rebuilt the F-22 prototype that pancaked onto the runway due to FCS failure, but we never flew it again?well it could be, they just made a generalization but i have read Sukhoi reports where they mention they have built 5 aircraft but 4 are currently flying, however here Rostec says 5 are flying
But now rostec says 5 flying prototypes, once a read in aviaforum a russian language forum a comment that i think here it has never said 055 might be damaged to limit its max g capacity but not to limit it as testing avionics, i think that it might happen, 055 might not fly the whole envelop, just test electronics with no high Gs to the airframe, but well that was just an opinion from a poster
officially Rostec is saying 5 flying protoypes, if it is true wait a few weeks or months and we might see 055 once more
They are no doubt entering LRIP this year, ready or not, and with pressure and money from the Indians, there is no reason not to, its just good business sense, as the old adage goes, "make hay while the sun shines" and no doubt that is what Sukhoi will do.
Good post 787, and Mr. Zool, as always Deino, the voice of reason, thank you gentlemen for bringing this thread back to reality and gentlemanly discourse. I love you guys as brothers each of you, and I have learned so much, and you have rekindled the fire of discovery and serious thought in my life, and given my love of aircraft, those who build them, an respect for the men and women who fly them to a new level. Thanks for being here gentlemen, and thank-you for sharing your creativity and logic, brings purpose and symmetry back to the world!