Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[aksha]

5th-gen jet, mini missile on agenda as Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoygu heads to Delhi

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NEW DELHI: Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoygu will arrive here tomorrow on a three-day visit to hold talks with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar and review the ongoing cooperation and future prospects in the crucial sector.

During the talks, the Russian side is expected to raise the issue of the much-delayed joint production of a Fifth- Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) and BrahMos mini-missile.

It is also expected to discuss Russian President Vladimir Putin's offer last month to produce the 'Kamov' military helicopters in India, among other things.

The question of a possible lease of a second nuclear submarine from Russia could also come up in the meeting that is being held just days ahead of US President Barack Obama's visit to the country.

Currently, India operates an 8,140-tonne Akula Class submarine -- renamed the INS Chakra -- which was leased in 2011 from Russia for a period of 10 years.

The issues would feature as part of discussions as the two counterparts chair the 13th meeting of the Russian-Indian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC).

"The two ministers will review the progress made so far and the future scope," defence sources said.

One of the most important deals in the works between India and Russia at present is the FGFA. A Russian team was in the national capital last month to discuss the deal and iron out any discuss the deal and iron out any differences.

India has said that the basic prototype of the plane is already flying and the Indian version had just a few variations, hence a full-fledged R&D contract would be a waste of time and resources, official sources said.

The preliminary design agreement on the FGFA had been signed in 2010 between HAL and the Russian Sukhoi Design Bureau to build the jet for use by both countries.


But the final R&D contract, which was to be signed by 2012, is still to be finalised. The contract would pave the way for prototype development and flight testing.

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Russia is also expected to push for a key deal for the joint development of a BrahMos 'mini missile'. However, sources said that a tripartite agreement in this regard is unlikely to be signed between DRDO, NPOM lab of Russia and BrahMos Aerospace.


The Russian Minister will also be visiting the BrahMos aerospace centre in the national capital

The mini missile will have a speed of Mach 3.5 and can carry a payload of 300-kg up to a range of 290-km. In terms of size, it will be about half that of the present missile, which is around 10-metres long.

BrahMos Aerospace, an Indo-Russian joint venture firm set up in 1998, feels that the new missile could be inducted into service by 2017 and there would be a huge market for it in India and Russia and among friendly foreign countries.



The BrahMos missile can be launched from land, air and marine-based platforms.


While the army and navy have already started inducting land and sea-based Brahmos missile systems, the air launch variant is set for trials soon.

 

[Jeff Head]

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[b787]

Russia video on AESA of T-50

it shows the latest developments for AESA radars among them the Radar for MIG-35 and the latest miniaturization of TR modules

Ранее сообщалось, что БРЛС с АФАР "Жук-А" должна иметь 1016 приемо-передающих модулей. БРЛС "Жук-А" будет обнаруживать до 60 целей, производить одновременные атаку восьми целей и сопровождение 30 целей. Ее дальность действия - более 160 км

Shuk A tracks 60 targets, attacks 8 and has 1016 elements has a range of detection of more than 160km

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This is the radar to be fitted in MiG-35 but represents the best AESA technology Russia has for at least MiG-35

 

[Verum]

A quick question, slightly off topic, does Russia have its own fabs? Or do they rely on foreign suppliers?
The reason I'm asking is, even though the pcb of the radar for Mig35 shown in the picture is pretty miniturized, the silicons on them are probably still foreign. This makes it vulnerable for Russian arms industry to be susceptible to embargoes.

 

[Jura The idiot]

If you hadn't used the boldface font together with the original text, I wouldn't have noticed now I suggest instead of

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Ранее сообщалось, что БРЛС с АФАР "Жук-А" должна иметь 1016 приемо-передающих модулей. БРЛС "Жук-А" будет обнаруживать до 60 целей, производить одновременные атаку восьми целей и сопровождение 30 целей. Ее дальность действия - более 160 км

Shuk A tracks 60 targets, attacks 8 and has 1016 elements has a range of detection of more than 160km
...

this:

Earlier it was announced the Zhuk-A airborne APAR should have 1016 transmit/receive modules. It'll be able to follow up to 60 targets in the search mode, up to 30 in the track mode, and lock on up to eight of them. Its range will be in excess of 160 km.

(but as I said before, I'm not good in airplanes actually I only read a couple of texts like this one:

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so I hope my translation won't bring confusion)

 

[paintgun]

A quick question, slightly off topic, does Russia have its own fabs? Or do they rely on foreign suppliers?
The reason I'm asking is, even though the pcb of the radar for Mig35 shown in the picture is pretty miniturized, the silicons on them are probably still foreign. This makes it vulnerable for Russian arms industry to be susceptible to embargoes.

Pretty sure they do.

 

[b787]

A quick question, slightly off topic, does Russia have its own fabs? Or do they rely on foreign suppliers?
The reason I'm asking is, even though the pcb of the radar for Mig35 shown in the picture is pretty miniturized, the silicons on them are probably still foreign. This makes it vulnerable for Russian arms industry to be susceptible to embargoes.

they do, they have two main industrial groups Micran and RPC istok, Russia does make wafer fabs, some of their technology was based upon French tech, they are world leaders in some areas, specially TR and radar components, they had deployed AESA radars in S-400s in de past and are to deploy in 2016 the AESA radar A-100 AWACs

 

[b787]

Micran also manufactures and designs
Microwave modules, including TR modules
for AESA radars furthermore,
Micran produces microwave gallium arsenide (GaAs)
and gallium nitride (GaN) solid-state components.

However they are integrated by other Russian industrial groups like Phazotron and ultimately they are part of KRET

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[aksha]

India Fast Tracks 5th Generation Fighter Jet Project With Russia

India and Russia on Wednesday agreed to speed up work and iron out hurdles that are holding up the co-production and co-designing of a 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft.

The two nations had in 2012 agreed to jointly design and produce the next generation fighters. Both countries are scheduled to spend US $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing. But the UPA Government had failed to operationalise the project.

The decision to fast-track the programme was done in a bilateral meeting between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu, at the 14th Meeting of the Indian-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation, which took place in New Delhi on Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting in New Delhi, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said, "We have decided to fast-track many of the issues."

However, the 5th generation fighter being built for the Russian Air Force is already being flight tested in Russia and India has suggested that a fresh Research and Development (R&D) contract would be a waste of time and resources.

Russia has already built five-prototypes in single pilot version. The Indian version is a two-seater, which will acomodate one pilot and a co-pilot who will function as a Weapon Systems Operator (WSO).

Mr Parrikar has also told Russia that India wants the stealth fighter jet to be inducted into the Indian Air Force much before 2024-25 - the date that was fixed for delivery. India plans to build as many as 127 fighters at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited facility in Nashik. The Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project is estimated to cost $25 billion.

Besides, the two sides have agreed that India will now exchange all information about flight safety protocols being followed on Russian platforms - fighter jets, helicopters and the transport planes - flown by the Indian Air Force.

This information exchange is crucial given the series of accidents in the Indian Air Force, including engine problems in India's mainstay fighter, the Sukhoi Su-30 MKI. Russia had also earlier contested India's claim that the pilot seats of the Su-30 ejected automatically during the last crash in October last year.

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[kwaigonegin]

India Fast Tracks 5th Generation Fighter Jet Project With Russia

IF everthing works like they had planned IAF will be one of the most advanced and potent air forces in the world by 2030-2035 with Rafales and PAKFAs all over the place. That would be a very powerful hi-lo mix especially if they can get them all networked and fully integrated into their C4ISR infrastructure.