Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

FORBIN

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Please for SC again :) i hope more guys in the reality here... :rolleyes: actualy Su-57 have AL-41F1 push to 147 kn, 15 tons after the futur izdeliye 30 for 2020+ to 178 kn/18 t, i see capable SC to mach 1.6 ( F-22 1.8 ) with actual engines or futur ? or one other speed o_O
You have also some STR/ITR, Climb Rate for see if the bird is a good dancer

The Su-35 must be SC capable also even a limited SC ?

I sear also for Su-35 turn rates Su-27 STR 22 - ITR 28 °/sec for Su-57 similar to F-22 or very close surely
I have ITR 32°/sec the best F-22 to 35, Rafale, Typhoon 30 etc...
For all fighters ITR from 18 - 35°/sec and STR 12 - 28 °/sec
I have catch... difficult enough rare datas...
 
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SMOKERS!!! remember "Waterworld", the Russians are the "SMOKERS!" lol LOOKS LIKE LEAD HAS JUST ADVANCED THE THROTTLES,,, sorry my caps lock was on, LOL!

100 bucks says B787 is gonna tell me that is aspecial radar absorbing, heat dissipating "oil slik" laid down by the "Stealthy Flanker??",,, yeah I know its true, its on the internet!
 

FORBIN

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SMOKERS!!! remember "Waterworld", the Russians are the "SMOKERS!" lol LOOKS LIKE LEAD HAS JUST ADVANCED THE THROTTLES,,, sorry my caps lock was on, LOL!

100 bucks says B787 is gonna tell me that is aspecial radar absorbing, heat dissipating "oil slik" laid down by the "Stealthy Flanker??",,, yeah I know its true, its on the internet!
You search my friend here support me for J-20 episode ... " good boy "o_O
 

b787

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You search my friend here support me for J-20 episode ... " good boy "o_O
I did support you because i felt you are right, plus usually when there is a dissenting voice some members try to silence it by derailing the threads and blaming the dissenting voice for it, but i thought your assessment was pretty much realistic, in my opinion J-20 is around 38 tonnes fully loaded fueled and armed, but i do not think the link you presented was bad, since i was also speculating.

Anyway these days i have been watching aircraft videos in french


I do understand french more or less well with subtitles, you tube offers you subtitles if you click on the right buttons, i have also watch a few about soviet aircraft in french


In French they offer you some videos not available in English language and while i can understand some french when it is spoken if i use subtitles i get between 80-90% of the meaning, but only spoken only 45-60%, any way i love watching videos in French about aircraft, i am planning to understand more in the future if i achieve it i will be able to watch videos in French, Portuguese, English, Italian, and Spanish, the only languages that i can really understand well is English , Portuguese and Spanish, but French and Italian i understand around 60-85 % more or less but Italian is much more easier for me than French
 

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You search my friend here support me for J-20 episode ... " good boy "o_O
You search my friend here support me for J-20 episode ... " good boy "o_O

He did support you! good for both of you, and of course, you were both right, LOL! its amazing though that our Buddy B787 now admits that what you did was generally understood and classic, therefore a reasoned guess was and is factual,,, but protests vociferously if Deino, myself, or others do the same for the SU-57??

So yes you were exactly right, and yes we all do it, and we do it quite accurately, because reliable people and reliable sources tell us the truth....

so yes, the J-20 as a twin engine fifth gen fighter likely approximates both the SU-57 and the F-22,,,, while some want to argue semantics and specifically the numbers, that's entirely unneccesary to arrive at very solid ball-park figures for cruise, thrust, and any number of flight parameters...
 

b787

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He did support you! good for both of you, and of course, you were both right, LOL! its amazing though that our Buddy B787 now admits that what you did was generally understood and classic, therefore a reasoned guess was and is factual,,, but protests vociferously if Deino, myself, or others do the same for the SU-57??

So yes you were exactly right, and yes we all do it, and we do it quite accurately, because reliable people and reliable sources tell us the truth....

so yes, the J-20 as a twin engine fifth gen fighter likely approximates both the SU-57 and the F-22,,,, while some want to argue semantics and specifically the numbers, that's entirely unneccesary to arrive at very solid ball-park figures for cruise, thrust, and any number of flight parameters...
I could quote you several reasons why i do not worship weapons, Su-57 for me is just a plane, i like it but is not my favorite aircraft, i am a F-14 fan more than Su-57, but for me it is a weapon, but as a historian i know quoting is more reliable when you get closer to the actors of the event.

When i expressed my opinion about J-20, i supported Forbin`s position because his link is close to reality, but in the case of what you ask me you are not speculating but affirming, thus i have to ask `you better sources, in the case of Forbin`s case we were not affirming but speculating
 

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I could quote you several reasons why i do not worship weapons, Su-57 for me is just a plane, i like it but is not my favorite aircraft, i am a F-14 fan more than Su-57, but for me it is a weapon, but as a historian i know quoting is more reliable when you get closer to the actors of the event.

When i expressed my opinion about J-20, i supported Forbin`s position because his link is close to reality, but in the case of what you ask me you are not speculating but affirming, thus i have to ask `you better sources, in the case of Forbin`s case we were not affirming but speculating
You can't have both ways Bub! I don't reveal my sources. Then again I don't post outragious nonsense!
 
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