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minusone

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What is the internal weapon bay issue i wonder ? As the thing do work as intended. Have you seen the weapon release vid back in Syrian War.



Yeah and i wonder why those out there like Israelis and South Korea has not yet dumped their F-15's. Are you really take Rybar as representative of Russian doctrine and aviation school of thoughts ?
I don't remember there's a footage of internal weapon bay opened in that footage. The missile was launch from abdomen hardpoint iirc.
The problem is that the central lift design was creating differential pressure region that in away prevented the missile launch from internal weapon bay.

Funny you brought up Israeli and South Korea, the former was launching 1 sided slaughter on unarmed Palestinian, while the latter couldn't even intercept the drones from North Korea and lost a jet in pursuit as a result.

By the way, i was referring to non-stealth bomber.
 

Stealthflanker

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I don't remember there's a footage of internal weapon bay opened in that footage. The missile was launch from abdomen hardpoint iirc.
The problem is that the central lift design was creating differential pressure region that in away prevented the missile launch from internal weapon bay.

Nope, there are no such thing as hardpoint there unless it's from the internal bay.

and i dont recall anything regarding "pressure differences" that prevents launches from internal bay. considering the actuator in that very bay extend the missile outside to airstream prior to release. Is there any maybe a good technical paper discussing those ?

Funny you brought up Israeli and South Korea, the former was launching 1 sided slaughter on unarmed Palestinian, while the latter couldn't even intercept the drones from North Korea and lost a jet in pursuit as a result.

By the way, i was referring to non-stealth bomber.

Funny, on your side because Su-34 is a fighter bomber. The Russians might use it as tactical bomber but if you look at history you will know that Su-34 can actually do multirole and have been advertised as such.

and F-15 is pretty much doing the same role as Su-34 regardless whoever using it.

Yeah and nonstealth bomber, well there is Tu-160 and Tu-95 that pretty much doing some good work lobbing cruise missile and so does US B-52 in its future role. If you think that "non-stealth" bomber era is over well.. you are limiting your scope of thinking way too much.

Even Chinese still relies on that H-6. and probably even with H-20 entering service, H-6 will soldier on.
 

minusone

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Nope, there are no such thing as hardpoint there unless it's from the internal bay.

and i dont recall anything regarding "pressure differences" that prevents launches from internal bay. considering the actuator in that very bay extend the missile outside to airstream prior to release. Is there any maybe a good technical paper discussing those ?



Funny, on your side because Su-34 is a fighter bomber. The Russians might use it as tactical bomber but if you look at history you will know that Su-34 can actually do multirole and have been advertised as such.

and F-15 is pretty much doing the same role as Su-34 regardless whoever using it.

Yeah and nonstealth bomber, well there is Tu-160 and Tu-95 that pretty much doing some good work lobbing cruise missile and so does US B-52 in its future role. If you think that "non-stealth" bomber era is over well.. you are limiting your scope of thinking way too much.

Even Chinese still relies on that H-6. and probably even with H-20 entering service, H-6 will soldier on.
Kindly show footage.

Im looking at Ukraine war, and Russia has been disappointing.
Why are you asking me to look at nation that are not at war?
 

Stealthflanker

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Kindly show footage.

Im looking at Ukraine war, and Russia has been disappointing.
Why are you asking me to look at nation that are not at war?

Oh.. i wonder where were you when Syrian war was raging ?

The image.

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The video

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Now i'm waiting for your technical disclosure... or maybe admission that you pull things out of the blue.

Im looking at Ukraine war, and Russia has been disappointing.
Why are you asking me to look at nation that are not at war?

And why you are even bring Palestine ? Trying to switch topic ? That's disgusting. Not the good way to discus thing my dear.
 

Sinnavuuty

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The Russian army in 2023 will receive new military equipment and replenish it with powerful weapons.

This year, new military equipment will appear in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The Russian army will receive 22 intercontinental ballistic missile launchers "Yars", "Avangard" and "Sarmat", 3 strategic missile carriers Tu-160, 1 nuclear submarine of the project "Borey-A" "Emperor Alexander III". The army will also receive 4 submarines and 12 surface ships.

In addition, it is planned to increase the supply of high-precision hypersonic missile systems "Kinzhal" and "Zirkon" and continue work on other promising models.
 

Stealthflanker

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In addition, it is planned to increase the supply of high-precision hypersonic missile systems "Kinzhal" and "Zirkon" and continue work on other promising models.

I'm curious if Russians will still go with Gzur which basically air launched Zircon but made by Raduga. NPO mashinostroyenia is known as Surface or Sea based missile maker (and some ballistic missiles) If Soviet era "tradition" still around, any air launched weapon will be handled by Raduga OKB.
 

minusone

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Oh.. i wonder where were you when Syrian war was raging ?

The image.

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The video

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Now i'm waiting for your technical disclosure... or maybe admission that you pull things out of the blue.



And why you are even bring Palestine ? Trying to switch topic ? That's disgusting. Not the good way to discus thing my dear.
AGM? Comeon, show me AAM.

Syrian war where Russian jet got shot down by Turkey? Anyway, it does not excuse the disappointing act of Russian army in Ukraine war.

You brought up Israeli......so naturally Palestin is involved who are "at war" with them. Are your brain functioning well?
 

pmc

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Syrian war where Russian jet got shot down by Turkey? Anyway, it does not excuse the disappointing act of Russian army in Ukraine war.
Turkey was forced to buy S400 that forever changed Turkish economic and culture to Arab influence and there whole set of economic things that has tied now Turkey to Russia.
have you fought war under NATO sensors? why you think its disappointing.
show me any other fighter with internal bays that can carry so heavy external fuel tanks. It is designed for for heavy loads on structure. so naturally tests will take long time when you consider all altitudes G loads.
external pods also tested.

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Stealthflanker

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AGM? Comeon, show me AAM.

Oh but you said you want to see Internal bay used.. I showed the video, and now you are suddenly come up with AAM ? Seriously ? That sudden demand of yours is a logical fallacy called "Moving the goalpost".

Is there any differences between AAM or AGM in terms of usage from the internal bay of Su-57 ? Where is the source of so called "pressure differences" ?

Guess it's hard for you to accept that you are pulling things out of the blue.


Syrian war where Russian jet got shot down by Turkey? Anyway, it does not excuse the disappointing act of Russian army in Ukraine war.

You brought up Israeli......so naturally Palestin is involved who are "at war" with them. Are your brain functioning well?

So you're no longer capable of coherent discussion ? Disgusting. I brought example of what countries operates F-15 which is the same class as the Su-34's and you seem not capable of even maintaining your own argument in subject of non stealthy bombers and instead rambling about other unrelated thing.

You're disappointing mate. seriously.
 

minusone

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Oh but you said you want to see Internal bay used.. I showed the video, and now you are suddenly come up with AAM ? Seriously ? That sudden demand of yours is a logical fallacy called "Moving the goalpost".

Is there any differences between AAM or AGM in terms of usage from the internal bay of Su-57 ? Where is the source of so called "pressure differences" ?

Guess it's hard for you to accept that you are pulling things out of the blue.




So you're no longer capable of coherent discussion ? Disgusting. I brought example of what countries operates F-15 which is the same class as the Su-34's and you seem not capable of even maintaining your own argument in subject of non stealthy bombers and instead rambling about other unrelated thing.

You're disappointing mate. seriously.
The difference is huge, AGM has no concern over friendly fire upon launching, whereas there's high chance of friendly fire for AAM. Go figure.

You brought up examples of nations aka South korea and Israel to prove the usefulness of SU-34 as they operate F15. And i respond with South Korea couldn't even intercept north korea drone and lost a jet in pursuit, which is the truth. And Israel had been on a lopsided war with unarm adversary. Conclusion, none of these two states could validate the usefulness of Su-34.

The one that seems to be unable to have coherent discourse is you.
 
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