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Temstar

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I saw two other sources in Chinese media today talking about the MiG-23 kamikaze UAV idea so I decided to track down the source for good and I think I found it:
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American spacecraft filmed about 300 Chinese drones at airfields near Taiwan. These are decommissioned J-6 supersonic fighters - a light upgrade of the MiG-19.

Our generals and leaders of the military-industrial complex have been confident for the last 30 years that the drone is a new aircraft. In a way, they are right. However, almost any aircraft can be turned into a “kamikaze” drone. And the larger the plane, the more damage it will cause to the adversary. It is enough to install only a control system on a decommissioned aircraft. Hundreds of decommissioned MiG-21, MiG-23 and other fighters, as well as decommissioned Tu-154, An-10 and other airliners can be turned into such drones.

The strikes of such drones are capable of demolishing entire fortified areas from the face of the earth. The same Tu-154 and An-2 can carry 10-16 tons of TNT or napalm.

Drones based on the MiG-23, Tu-154, An-10 and others can smash power plants, railway stations, dams and airfields to smithereens.
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So yeah he did say MiG-21, but for some reason his editors omitted it in the title and put MiG-23 first.

A Tu-154 kamikaze drone loaded with 50 tons of explosive would be a terrifying sight. That would easily flatten a city block or destroy even hardened targets. One would argue though a converted passenger jet filled with explosive plowing into building would not look good public image-wise.
 
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sheogorath

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Tam said:
I was thinking they may modernize or upgrade old AshMs into land attack missiles, in particular, missiles like the Granit and the Moskit
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I think most Soviet/Russian AShM's have a ground attack mode already.

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Would the USA allow a red firetruck like this on they ships ?
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They would have made a program lasting 7 years, 5 billion dollars overbudget with electromagnetic pumps that can't work more than 15 minutes without requiring a wifi update and call it groundbreaking 6th gen firetruck
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This is a major and reckless escalation from NATO's side. now NATO has resorted to transporting MANPADS from NATO land directly to Russia to shoot down Russian airliners
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This type of stuff has never come back to bite NATO and the US in the ass. Not at all...

Is like the nepotistic failsons running US foreing policy decided to replicate the US worst mistakes of the cold war


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Looking at the lighting and edge conditions, this photo is quite clearly photoshop
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It's real, though it supposedly was for some super duper holographic Zoom call

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Franklin

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The Russians are looking for a anwser to HIMARS and they are looking at the Belorussian Polonez MLRS as a possible solution. The Belorussian Polonez MLRS is essentially the Chinese PHL-16 with a Belorussian chassis and some Belorussian parts. The article below claims that the Polonez (Chinese A-200) or the Polonez M (A-300) are less accurate than HIMARS based on its performance in the Armenian Azerbaijani war of 2020. Its either because the A-200 rockets are just less accurate than HIMARS or its because that the Belorussians and the Azerbaijani's didn't get the Beidou guided versions. And the ones they got just rely on internal guidence alone.

Third, there is an issue directly related to the specifications of the Polonez, in particular, its accuracy. Because we have already been convinced of the ability of HIMARS to destroy targets with extreme precision (particularly on the example of strikes on bridges over the Dnipro, where the rockets "landed" almost one next to another). But when it comes to the belarusian Polonez, the system has so far shown its capabilities only against Armenia and the results were not as spectacular.
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sheogorath

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Franklin said:
The Russians are looking for a anwser to HIMARS and they are looking at the Belorussian Polonez MLRS as a possible solution. The Belorussian Polonez MLRS is essentially the Chinese PHL-16 with a Belorussian chassis and some Belorussian parts. The article below claims that the Polonez (Chinese A-200) or the Polonez M (A-300) are less accurate than HIMARS based on its performance in the Armenian Azerbaijani war of 2020. Its either because the A-200 rockets are just less accurate than HIMARS or its because that the Belorussian and the Azerbaijani's didn't get the Beidou guided versions. And the ones they got just rely on internal guidence alone.



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Pretty sure the Russians have their own "HIMARS" in the Tornado-S. Their bottleneck might be related in the amount of guided 300mm rockets they can make.

There are no sources for the claims about the Polonez's accuracy being made by Belarussians, Russians or Armenians, either. And when an article lacks a named author, its always a red flag
 
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tabu

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Temstar said:
I saw two other sources in Chinese media today talking about the MiG-23 kamikaze UAV idea so I decided to track down the source for good and I think I found it:
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So yeah he did say MiG-21, but for some reason his editors omitted it in the title and put MiG-23 first.

A Tu-154 kamikaze drone loaded with 50 tons of explosive would be a terrifying sight. That would easily flatten a city block or destroy even hardened targets. One would argue though a converted passenger jet filled with explosive plowing into building would not look good public image-wise.
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Then all you have to do is get the drone to go somewhere, sorry for asking, but how can you do that, it's not such a small thing.
 
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gelgoog

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The Russian Tornado-S MLRS has more range than HIMARS with the kinds of missiles the US has provided to Ukraine thus far.
Even if the US provides Ukraine with the 300km range missiles, Russia has the Iskander with 500km range.

As for accuracy, Russia launched two GLONASS-K satellites this year, so I doubt the accuracy of GLONASS did not improve.
Once (or if) next generation GLONASS-K2 satellites become available then GLONASS should have similar accuracy to current generation GPS.
 
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Atomicfrog

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tabu said:
Then all you have to do is get the drone to go somewhere, sorry for asking, but how can you do that, it's not such a small thing.
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Only the latest Mig-23bm had a digital navigation system...others was analog. Would be a pain to create some kind of interface to pilot them, it's certainly not such a small thing.
 
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Stealthflanker

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tabu said:
Then all you have to do is get the drone to go somewhere, sorry for asking, but how can you do that, it's not such a small thing.
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They already done that, and even offering it for export.

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But then where is the logic of that when Russia already have production line for cruise missile open and producing at full capacity ?
Plus that M.23 aerial target are supposed to be reusable.
 
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pmc

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This is first time i read a new air-conditioning system for Tu-214. i guess they are getting feedback from SSJ operations to Middleast where temperature in tarmac can reach well above triple digits. basically without effective and reliable air-conditioning passengers will be cooked. There is Tu-214D model of this aircraft that designed for 150 passengers to 14 hour flights.

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According to him, the Tu-214 will be comfortable enough for passengers. Now new lighting equipment, seats, luggage racks that meet international requirements, and an air conditioning system are used on airplanes, the head of the UAC clarifies.
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gelgoog

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Personally I am less than happy with this large expansion of Tu-204/214 production. To a large degree it will compete with the MC-21 for the same manufacturing resources. Not the final assembly line for sure, but in things like APUs and other equipment in a lot of cases, it is either the same Russian vendors or even basically the same product. In the case of the APU both are going to be made by Aerosila and are basically the same product with some modifications from what I understand due to differences in required electric vs hydraulic power output. In the case of the engines, the production line of the PD-14 and PS-90 is currently shared and both are being built in the same building. I would not be surprised if KRET is making the avionics for both Tu-204/214 and MC-21, etc.

It makes sense to refurbish older Tu-204/214s and press them into service, but building new ones, I think it might just hinder the ramp up of MC-21 production further.
 
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