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Who knows but this is a great aircraft, i am not sure about the future fighter but this is a great machine
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New MS Pr 12700 Aleksandrit, June 27, 2014 launched. 4 ordered.
displacement 800 tonnes
Length 62 m
Width 10.2 m
Draft 2.68 m
Full speed 16,5 knots
1 AK-630
9K38 MANPADS "Igla" with 8 SAM 9M39
And new Kilo launched Rostov-on-Don with propeller visible , very unusual !
displacement 800 tonnes
Length 62 m
Width 10.2 m
Draft 2.68 m
Full speed 16,5 knots
1 AK-630
9K38 MANPADS "Igla" with 8 SAM 9M39
And new Kilo launched Rostov-on-Don with propeller visible , very unusual !
thunderchief
Senior Member
Propeller with 7 blades for Project 636 (Improved Kilo , Varshavyanka )
Jura The idiot
General
kwaigonegin
Colonel
what's unusual are the 3 workers standing on the scafolding. It's either an optical ilusion or they are PSed into it. Relative to the sail they must be giants!!! or that's a 1//4 model size sub.
Its a real propeller, not a prop. its just russian must has some optical mind bricking techniques employed so the intel analysts have to think twice.
Not sure if that was said in jest or not but I'll throw in my $.02. They look to be standing on the upper portion of the hull, the Kilos IIRC have an upper rectangular area above the pressure hull.
-Greg
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Well for all of you out there what want to run your own country and wondered what Russian military hardware might cost, I have compiled a list of “estimated” acquisition cost based on defence related articles and estimates in some cases. Hope you enjoy.
If you have some real numerical costs, please let me know.
Ground Units
New construction
Tanks and other armoured units
NOTE: T-80 production has ceased. You have to get Ukrainian T-84s if you want them now.
T-90A 'Vladimir' MBT: $4.15 million (based on Russian MOD)
T-90M MBT: $3.5 million - (based on Indian purchase)
T-90S MBT: $3.9 million - (based on Cyprus purchase)
BMPT Tank Support Fighting Vehicle: $3 million - (guess based on the cost of a T-90)
BMP-3M IFV: ~$3.5-4 million - (based on South Korean press release) BMP-3 IFV: $3.2 million for basic unit (based on Greek purchase)
BMD-4 ACV: ~$4 million
BMD-3 ACV: $3.5 million
2S25 Sprut-D: $4.5 million - (guess based on the cost of the BMD-3)
BTR-90M IFV: ~$2 million (more guessing)
BTR-90 IFV: ~$1.5 million (educated guess based on a statement that it costs half as much as the Stryker)
BTR-82A IFV: ~$1.4 million - (See below)
BTR-80A IFV: ~$1.2 million (guess based on relation to BTR-90)
BRDM-3 Recce: ~$1.2 million (guess based on it being a BTR-80A variant)
BTR-T APC: $700,000 on Russian-supplied T-55 (based on costs for similar vehicles)
BTR-80 APC: $400,000 (guess based on prices for surplus units in late-90s)
Artillery, rockets and missiles
BM-30 300mm MRL: $12.1 million (based on very recent sale to India)
2S19 152mm SPH: $2.25 million (based on 2000 price)
2A65/MZ-146-1 152mm towed howitzer: $800,000 - (based on the costs of the French 155mm SP and towed howitzers, and the 2S19)
2S31 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: $1 million (wild guess)
2S23 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: ~$750,000 (wild guess)
9K720 Iskander: $120 million per battery (6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (wild guess)
Missile systems
S-400 (SA-21): $400 million per fire unit (8 launchers, 112 missiles, command and support vehicles) (estimate based on performance figures, larger missile load, etc.)
S-300PMU-2 - (SA-20B): $200 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) (guess based on below)
S-300PMU-1 - (SA-20A): $160 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (based on VERY recent Iranian order and other sales)
Buk-M1-2 (SA-17): ~$120 million per battalion with 6 TELARs, 6 trans loaders, & 36 missiles (pretty much a guess)
Tor-M1 (SA-15): $25 million (based on possible future sale)
Pantsir-S1: $16+ million (based on sale to Algeria)
Bastion-P Coastal Defence Battery: $150 million for radar, control centre, 6 launchers, & 36 missiles - (based on Syrian buy)
Upgrades to existing tanks and armoured units
BMD-4 ACV: $500,000 upgrading from BMD-3 to BMD-4.
BTR-T APC: $400,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks, $700,000 if you do not have any T-55s to upgrade (based on costs for similar vehicles)
BMPT Tank Support Fighting Vehicle: $1.4 million as an upgrade to existing T-72 stocks - (based on BTR-T upgrade costs and T-72 modernization projects)
T-55M5: $700,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. This modernization kit adds convex explosive reactive armour "Kontakt-5" panels around turret front, armour panel on glacis plate, a longer hull, a new style fire control equipment with stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights for the gunner and commander, an improved V-55U engine (or V-46-5M) and a main gun stabilization system. The original 100 mm D-10T2S gun is maintained
T-55M6: $1.8 million as an upgrade of existing stocks ($2.4 million with options). A more radical upgrade with longer chassis with 6 road wheels each side, a 690 hp V-46-5M diesel engine and with the complete turret with automatic loader and 2A46M 125mm main gun of the T-72BM. Also the protection was increased to T-80U level. Optionally the tank can be equipped with the 1A40-1 fire control system with ATGM system 9K120 "Svir" (as T-72B) or with the 1A42 and 9K119 "Refleks" systems (as T-80U).
T-72BM: $800,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. This adds a new 125mm gun, 1,000 hp diesel, a thermal gunners site, new camouflage, and Relikt ERA (which is supposed to be twice as effective as Kontakt-5)
BMP-1P: $600,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a 9P13M Konkurs launcher on an exposed pintle.
BMP-1PG: $350,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds an AGS-17 auto grenade launcher.
BMP-1MS: $920,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new turret with 2 2A42 30mm auto cannons, 1 Kornet launcher and 1 PKTM coax machine gun.
AIR CRAFT
New construction
Fighters (multirole, air superiority, strike)
Su-35: $75+ million - (most legitimate claims were $65 million, but the Su-30s real price makes it clear the Su-35 should be significantly higher than that)
Su-30MK series: $60-70 million - (contract prices vary widely, from $50 million to Malaysia to over $80 million per unit for the Algerian trade-in)
Su-33: ~$60-70 million - (based on relative prices of other Russian aircraft)
Su-32: ~$60-65 million - (based on relative prices of other Russian aircraft)
MiG-35: $55-60 million (based on cost of Mig-29SMT)
MiG-29K: ~$50-55 million (Indian acquisition was $46+ in 2004, should be slightly more expensive than MiG-29M, which has most of the improved features but is not reinforced for carrier operations)
MiG-29M: ~$50+ million ($5-10 mil more than SMT)
MiG-29SMT: $45+ million (various contracts at between $40 and $45 million, some as low as $37. But, cheaper ones, refurbished and not new-build)
PAK-FA: Russia claims $80 million, Insiders say easily $100-120+, maybe even as high as $135 million. I will assume that the higher ones are export price, though even that very well may not be.
Helicopters and ground attack aircraft
Ka-50N: ~$35-45 million (based on Mi-28 cost)
Mi-28: ~$35-40 million (based on sale of used units to Turkey)
Mi-35: $16+ million (based on sale to Venezuela)
Ka-60/64: $12 million (based on sale to India)
Mi-17/Mi-8: $9 million (based on sale to Venezuela)
Ka-27: $12 million - (based on the costs of the similar in size Mi-17)
Mi-26M: $18 million - (based on military-today)
Su-25TM/Su-39: $15 million - (based on internet articles)
Transports, tankers, AEW&C aircraft and trainers
In late 2009, Dmitry Medvedev announced that Russian production of the An-124 will resume, making the aircraft available from a Russian manufacturer.
A-50 AEW&C: ~$250-300 million as upgrade of existing Il-76, +$30 million for Il-76 aircraft - (extremely rough estimate based on 15-year-old joint Russian/Israeli program for China)
Il-78M Tanker: $35 million (based on 2001 contract and inflation)
Il-76MF: $50 million - (based on Jordanian purchase)
Il-76MD-90: $40+ million - (based on MF cost)
An-124-102: $195 million (based on internet data)
Il-112V: $20 million - (estimate based on Il-76 costs)
Yak-130: $15 million - (based on 2007 sale adjusted for inflation and internet)
Aircraft Upgrades
MiG-21-93: $4.5 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new radar (MiG-29 class), upgraded avionics, improved cockpit economics, and the capability to fire Vympel R-27 (NATO: AA-10 'Alamo') and Vympel R-77 (NATO: AA-12 'Adder') missiles, along with airframe life extension. (The chances of someone doing this upgrade is non-existent)
MiG-21-97: $5.5 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Includes the MiG-21-93 package, plus the Klimov RD-33 engine. (The chances of someone doing this upgrade is non-existent)
MiG-23-98: $5 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new radar, new self-defence suite, new avionics, improved cockpit ergonomic, helmet-mounted sight, and the capability to fire Vympel R-27 (NATO: AA-10 'Alamo') and Vympel R-77 (NATO: AA-12 'Adder') missiles, along with airframe life extension. (based on Ukrainian upgrade for Sir Lanka and adjusted for inflation)
MiG-29SMT: $15 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. (based on Peru upgrade)
Su-27SM2: $37 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Avionics and weapons upgrades to Su-35 class, plus the Salyut AL-31F-M1 engine.
MiG-31BM: $7 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Avionics upgrade, HOTAS, cockpit update, upgrade to the NIIP Zaslon radar. Adds ability to use R-77/RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) missiles, and the full range of air-to-ground weapons. Price based on 2007 contract to upgrade Kazakh MiG-31s
Su-30MKIB Super 30: $12 million as an upgrade to existing Su-30MKI. Adds the Zhuk ASE AESA radar, modernizes the on-board computers and ECM to Su-35 standards, and adds the ability to use the BrahMos missile.
Naval Units
Submarines
Amur 1650 Submarine: $450 million (based on statement that they are $100 million cheaper than contemporaries)
Amur 950 Submarine: ~$250 million (based on Russian press)
Improved Kilo (636) Submarine: ~$300 million - (contracts vary from $250 to $350 million each, but the Algerian sale hits right in the middle)
Surface warships
Sovremenny I/II Destroyer (956EM): $800+ million - (based on 2002 sale to China)
Gorshkov Frigate: $400 million - (estimated guess)
Krivak III Frigate: $400 million (based on 2006 Indian purchase)
Gepard Frigate: $150-200 million, depending on variant - (no good links, but Vietnam appears to have paid $300 million for 2)
Tigr Corvette: ~$150+ million - (based on global security’s statement. It is also a development of the Stergushchy)
Stergushchy Corvette: $150 million - (based on this figure at current exchange rates)
Tarantul Missile Corvette: $65+ million (based on estimates for a sale to Libya)
Molniya Missile Corvette: $60+ million (based on sale to Vietnam, and the fact that it is basically just a Tarantul with different missiles)
Buyan Corvette: $60 million - (based on the price of the similarly-sized Tarantul. The Buyan is not as heavily armed, but does include stealth features, so this seems a reasonable compromise cost.) Ivan Gren landing ship: $45 million (based on the cost of the similar Frank S. Besson class LSV)
Zubr class heavy LCAC: $79 million (based on a recent sale to China)
Missiles
P800 Yakhont: - $2.5-3 million - (estimate based on Syrian buy)
Kh-31AM: ~$1.5 million - (estimate based on US purchase of target drone version with no guidance or warhead)
Kh-31PM: ~$1.3 million - (estimate based on above)
Igla-S (SA-24) MANPADS: ~$1.6-1.8 million for 1 launcher and 10 missiles - (based on below)
Igla (SA-18) MANPADS: $1.4 million for 1 launcher and 10 missiles - (based on current sales)
Kornet-E (AT-14) ATGM: $875,000 for 1 launcher and 10 missiles - (based on recent Turkish buy)
Metis-M (AT-13) ATGM: ~$500,000 for 1 launcher & 10 missiles - (based off unconfirmed data)
If you have some real numerical costs, please let me know.
Ground Units
New construction
Tanks and other armoured units
NOTE: T-80 production has ceased. You have to get Ukrainian T-84s if you want them now.
T-90A 'Vladimir' MBT: $4.15 million (based on Russian MOD)
T-90M MBT: $3.5 million - (based on Indian purchase)
T-90S MBT: $3.9 million - (based on Cyprus purchase)
BMPT Tank Support Fighting Vehicle: $3 million - (guess based on the cost of a T-90)
BMP-3M IFV: ~$3.5-4 million - (based on South Korean press release) BMP-3 IFV: $3.2 million for basic unit (based on Greek purchase)
BMD-4 ACV: ~$4 million
BMD-3 ACV: $3.5 million
2S25 Sprut-D: $4.5 million - (guess based on the cost of the BMD-3)
BTR-90M IFV: ~$2 million (more guessing)
BTR-90 IFV: ~$1.5 million (educated guess based on a statement that it costs half as much as the Stryker)
BTR-82A IFV: ~$1.4 million - (See below)
BTR-80A IFV: ~$1.2 million (guess based on relation to BTR-90)
BRDM-3 Recce: ~$1.2 million (guess based on it being a BTR-80A variant)
BTR-T APC: $700,000 on Russian-supplied T-55 (based on costs for similar vehicles)
BTR-80 APC: $400,000 (guess based on prices for surplus units in late-90s)
Artillery, rockets and missiles
BM-30 300mm MRL: $12.1 million (based on very recent sale to India)
2S19 152mm SPH: $2.25 million (based on 2000 price)
2A65/MZ-146-1 152mm towed howitzer: $800,000 - (based on the costs of the French 155mm SP and towed howitzers, and the 2S19)
2S31 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: $1 million (wild guess)
2S23 120mm SP Gun/Mortar: ~$750,000 (wild guess)
9K720 Iskander: $120 million per battery (6 launch vehicles, 24 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (wild guess)
Missile systems
S-400 (SA-21): $400 million per fire unit (8 launchers, 112 missiles, command and support vehicles) (estimate based on performance figures, larger missile load, etc.)
S-300PMU-2 - (SA-20B): $200 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) (guess based on below)
S-300PMU-1 - (SA-20A): $160 million per fire unit (6 launchers, 48 missiles, command and support vehicles) - (based on VERY recent Iranian order and other sales)
Buk-M1-2 (SA-17): ~$120 million per battalion with 6 TELARs, 6 trans loaders, & 36 missiles (pretty much a guess)
Tor-M1 (SA-15): $25 million (based on possible future sale)
Pantsir-S1: $16+ million (based on sale to Algeria)
Bastion-P Coastal Defence Battery: $150 million for radar, control centre, 6 launchers, & 36 missiles - (based on Syrian buy)
Upgrades to existing tanks and armoured units
BMD-4 ACV: $500,000 upgrading from BMD-3 to BMD-4.
BTR-T APC: $400,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks, $700,000 if you do not have any T-55s to upgrade (based on costs for similar vehicles)
BMPT Tank Support Fighting Vehicle: $1.4 million as an upgrade to existing T-72 stocks - (based on BTR-T upgrade costs and T-72 modernization projects)
T-55M5: $700,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. This modernization kit adds convex explosive reactive armour "Kontakt-5" panels around turret front, armour panel on glacis plate, a longer hull, a new style fire control equipment with stabilized TVK-3 and TKN-1SM sights for the gunner and commander, an improved V-55U engine (or V-46-5M) and a main gun stabilization system. The original 100 mm D-10T2S gun is maintained
T-55M6: $1.8 million as an upgrade of existing stocks ($2.4 million with options). A more radical upgrade with longer chassis with 6 road wheels each side, a 690 hp V-46-5M diesel engine and with the complete turret with automatic loader and 2A46M 125mm main gun of the T-72BM. Also the protection was increased to T-80U level. Optionally the tank can be equipped with the 1A40-1 fire control system with ATGM system 9K120 "Svir" (as T-72B) or with the 1A42 and 9K119 "Refleks" systems (as T-80U).
T-72BM: $800,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. This adds a new 125mm gun, 1,000 hp diesel, a thermal gunners site, new camouflage, and Relikt ERA (which is supposed to be twice as effective as Kontakt-5)
BMP-1P: $600,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a 9P13M Konkurs launcher on an exposed pintle.
BMP-1PG: $350,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds an AGS-17 auto grenade launcher.
BMP-1MS: $920,000 as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new turret with 2 2A42 30mm auto cannons, 1 Kornet launcher and 1 PKTM coax machine gun.
AIR CRAFT
New construction
Fighters (multirole, air superiority, strike)
Su-35: $75+ million - (most legitimate claims were $65 million, but the Su-30s real price makes it clear the Su-35 should be significantly higher than that)
Su-30MK series: $60-70 million - (contract prices vary widely, from $50 million to Malaysia to over $80 million per unit for the Algerian trade-in)
Su-33: ~$60-70 million - (based on relative prices of other Russian aircraft)
Su-32: ~$60-65 million - (based on relative prices of other Russian aircraft)
MiG-35: $55-60 million (based on cost of Mig-29SMT)
MiG-29K: ~$50-55 million (Indian acquisition was $46+ in 2004, should be slightly more expensive than MiG-29M, which has most of the improved features but is not reinforced for carrier operations)
MiG-29M: ~$50+ million ($5-10 mil more than SMT)
MiG-29SMT: $45+ million (various contracts at between $40 and $45 million, some as low as $37. But, cheaper ones, refurbished and not new-build)
PAK-FA: Russia claims $80 million, Insiders say easily $100-120+, maybe even as high as $135 million. I will assume that the higher ones are export price, though even that very well may not be.
Helicopters and ground attack aircraft
Ka-50N: ~$35-45 million (based on Mi-28 cost)
Mi-28: ~$35-40 million (based on sale of used units to Turkey)
Mi-35: $16+ million (based on sale to Venezuela)
Ka-60/64: $12 million (based on sale to India)
Mi-17/Mi-8: $9 million (based on sale to Venezuela)
Ka-27: $12 million - (based on the costs of the similar in size Mi-17)
Mi-26M: $18 million - (based on military-today)
Su-25TM/Su-39: $15 million - (based on internet articles)
Transports, tankers, AEW&C aircraft and trainers
In late 2009, Dmitry Medvedev announced that Russian production of the An-124 will resume, making the aircraft available from a Russian manufacturer.
A-50 AEW&C: ~$250-300 million as upgrade of existing Il-76, +$30 million for Il-76 aircraft - (extremely rough estimate based on 15-year-old joint Russian/Israeli program for China)
Il-78M Tanker: $35 million (based on 2001 contract and inflation)
Il-76MF: $50 million - (based on Jordanian purchase)
Il-76MD-90: $40+ million - (based on MF cost)
An-124-102: $195 million (based on internet data)
Il-112V: $20 million - (estimate based on Il-76 costs)
Yak-130: $15 million - (based on 2007 sale adjusted for inflation and internet)
Aircraft Upgrades
MiG-21-93: $4.5 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new radar (MiG-29 class), upgraded avionics, improved cockpit economics, and the capability to fire Vympel R-27 (NATO: AA-10 'Alamo') and Vympel R-77 (NATO: AA-12 'Adder') missiles, along with airframe life extension. (The chances of someone doing this upgrade is non-existent)
MiG-21-97: $5.5 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Includes the MiG-21-93 package, plus the Klimov RD-33 engine. (The chances of someone doing this upgrade is non-existent)
MiG-23-98: $5 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Adds a new radar, new self-defence suite, new avionics, improved cockpit ergonomic, helmet-mounted sight, and the capability to fire Vympel R-27 (NATO: AA-10 'Alamo') and Vympel R-77 (NATO: AA-12 'Adder') missiles, along with airframe life extension. (based on Ukrainian upgrade for Sir Lanka and adjusted for inflation)
MiG-29SMT: $15 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. (based on Peru upgrade)
Su-27SM2: $37 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Avionics and weapons upgrades to Su-35 class, plus the Salyut AL-31F-M1 engine.
MiG-31BM: $7 million as an upgrade of existing stocks. Avionics upgrade, HOTAS, cockpit update, upgrade to the NIIP Zaslon radar. Adds ability to use R-77/RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) missiles, and the full range of air-to-ground weapons. Price based on 2007 contract to upgrade Kazakh MiG-31s
Su-30MKIB Super 30: $12 million as an upgrade to existing Su-30MKI. Adds the Zhuk ASE AESA radar, modernizes the on-board computers and ECM to Su-35 standards, and adds the ability to use the BrahMos missile.
Naval Units
Submarines
Amur 1650 Submarine: $450 million (based on statement that they are $100 million cheaper than contemporaries)
Amur 950 Submarine: ~$250 million (based on Russian press)
Improved Kilo (636) Submarine: ~$300 million - (contracts vary from $250 to $350 million each, but the Algerian sale hits right in the middle)
Surface warships
Sovremenny I/II Destroyer (956EM): $800+ million - (based on 2002 sale to China)
Gorshkov Frigate: $400 million - (estimated guess)
Krivak III Frigate: $400 million (based on 2006 Indian purchase)
Gepard Frigate: $150-200 million, depending on variant - (no good links, but Vietnam appears to have paid $300 million for 2)
Tigr Corvette: ~$150+ million - (based on global security’s statement. It is also a development of the Stergushchy)
Stergushchy Corvette: $150 million - (based on this figure at current exchange rates)
Tarantul Missile Corvette: $65+ million (based on estimates for a sale to Libya)
Molniya Missile Corvette: $60+ million (based on sale to Vietnam, and the fact that it is basically just a Tarantul with different missiles)
Buyan Corvette: $60 million - (based on the price of the similarly-sized Tarantul. The Buyan is not as heavily armed, but does include stealth features, so this seems a reasonable compromise cost.) Ivan Gren landing ship: $45 million (based on the cost of the similar Frank S. Besson class LSV)
Zubr class heavy LCAC: $79 million (based on a recent sale to China)
Missiles
P800 Yakhont: - $2.5-3 million - (estimate based on Syrian buy)
Kh-31AM: ~$1.5 million - (estimate based on US purchase of target drone version with no guidance or warhead)
Kh-31PM: ~$1.3 million - (estimate based on above)
Igla-S (SA-24) MANPADS: ~$1.6-1.8 million for 1 launcher and 10 missiles - (based on below)
Igla (SA-18) MANPADS: $1.4 million for 1 launcher and 10 missiles - (based on current sales)
Kornet-E (AT-14) ATGM: $875,000 for 1 launcher and 10 missiles - (based on recent Turkish buy)
Metis-M (AT-13) ATGM: ~$500,000 for 1 launcher & 10 missiles - (based off unconfirmed data)