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early morning thinking of an amateur like me: the Raptor against Bear sure looks like an overkill :) but how would the Russians know what type of airplane was going to intercept??

If you fly near an airbase, you'll usually be pretty certain that they'll send up a certain fighter type, since a lot of air force bases like Elmendorf only have one type of fighter nowadays.
 

Jeff Head

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early morning thinking of an amateur like me: the Raptor against Bear sure looks like an overkill :) but how would the Russians know what type of airplane was going to intercept??
Because they know what type of aircraft are located at the bases near where the Bears fly.

The Russians will gather whatever SIGINT they can...it's the way the game is played.

The US, of course, is confident that they will gather very little on the F-22.

We do not know, but it may be very likely that unless the TU-95 there actually laid eyes on the F-22, they may have not known it was even there.
 

thunderchief

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early morning thinking of an amateur like me: the Raptor against Bear sure looks like an overkill :) but how would the Russians know what type of airplane was going to intercept??

It is well known that F-22s are based in Alaska . So it is a matter of probability - fly close enough a number of times and eventually you going to get intercepted by one of them .
 

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The Russian Navy has officially accepted K-560 Severodvinsk, the most advanced nuclear-powered multipurpose submarine Russia has ever produced.

Severodvinsk is the lead of the Yasen-class submarines, which are to become the backbone of the Russian Navy’s conventional submarine force. It was laid down back in 1993, but budgetary restrictions stemming from the post-Soviet transition caused a long delay in its construction. K-560 was launched in 2010 and had been undergoing sea trials since September 2011.

The flag raising ceremony of the Russian Navy on K-560 took place on Tuesday in Severodvinsk, the city after which the submarine was named. It is to move to its new base in the Northern Fleet by year’s end and will remain in service for at least 30 years, Navy Commander Admiral Victor Chirkov told the crew of the submarine.

Yasen-class submarines are the successors to older Russian attack submarines like the Akula-class, on which it is based, and a counterpart to US nuclear-powered Seawolf and Virginia class submarines.

One of the most interesting features of the design is a large spherical sonar system, which occupies its entire bow. This required that torpedo tubes were slanted and placed behind the main control compartment.

In addition to 533mm torpedoes, Yasen-class submarines can fire cruise missiles from its eight vertical launching systems. They can carry Onyx and Kalibr supersonic anti-ship missiles or land attack cruise missiles.

Severodvinsk is 120 meter long, has a submerged displacement of 13,800 tons and can travel up to 30 knots (56 kmh) while submerged. It is manned by a crew of about 90, including 32 officers, demonstrating the highly-automated level of its functions.

Russia is currently building two additional Yasen-class submarines, with a third one scheduled to be laid down next month and three more contracted for 2015. The Navy says additional acquisitions are planned.

“We will build as many as we need to defend our motherland,” Admiral Chirkov said.

All future Yasen-class submarines will boast an advanced variation of the design, with a slightly modified hull profile and modernized equipment.

Design works for the future successor to Yasen class are underway, the Navy commander stressed at the ceremony.

“The harsh laws and rules of shipbuilding do not allow any pauses in designing new generations of submarines,” he said, adding that future Russian submarines are expected to have advanced drones among its armaments.
 

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The Yasen Class are going to be very capable, very advanced submarines that are actually a Hybrid...a multi-role nuclear submarine combining the SSN and SSGN roles into a single sub.

And it will be very capable at both.


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This class of boats is not only Russia's most capable nuclear attack sub, it is the world's most expensive one. The first one cost close to $2 billion dollars, and the second, which was started in 2009 and should be launched this year, is projected to cost almost $ 3.5 billion. More than any other SSN to date.

It took a total of 17 years to build and was ginally launched in 2010. It then has taken another almost four years to get it into service with the Russian Navy.

It has VLS tubes for thirty-two cruise missiles, and has ten torpedo tubes that can launch a varierty of torpedoes, mines and more missiles...40 more weapons altogether. That's a total of 72 weapons...a very large load.

As stated, the second boat, the Kazan, started building in 2009 and should launch this year. The third, Novosibirsk, started building in 2013, and the fourth, the , was expected to be laid down right now, in June 2014.

Specs for the Yasen Class:

Displacement: 13,000 tons
Length: 390 ft. (120 m)
Beamt: 50 ft. (15 m)
Draft: 27.3 ft (8.4 m)
Speed:
- 20 knots surfaced
- 28 knots submerged (Quiet)
- 35 knots submerged (Max)
Depth: 1,950 ft (600 m) (Test)
Crew: 90 (32 officers)
Armament:
- 32 x VLS Cells
- 08 x 650mm torpedo tubes
- 02 x 533mm torpedo tuibes
As stated:

- Thirty two Cruise missiles, Anti-ship missiles, or anti-submarine missile for VLS tubes
- Forty torpedos, anti-ship missile, anti-submarine missiles, or mines for torpedo tubes.

By comparison, the US Navy has four SSGN nucler submarines that are converted Ohio class SSBN subs. Each of these is capable of launching 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles. but they will begin to be decommissioned in the 2020s and the US Navy has decided, rather than replace them, to modify its own build of future Virginia class SSNs and make them muliti-role as well, like the Yasen.


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In order to do this, starting with the Block V boats in 2019, a large plug will be added to the Virginia class boats behind the island, adding almost 100 feet to its length. Within this new section, four Virginia Payload Modules (VPMs) will be added along the centerline, each capable of carrying seven more Tomahawk cruise missiles. These 28 missiles, when added to the 12 VLS tubes located forward on all Virginia Class subs, will allow those future boats to carry 40 cruise missiles each, while continuing with their four 533mm torpedo tubes and additional 27 weapons. So the Block V boats will carry a total of 67 weapons.

This is more than the largest warload carried by any US Navy SSN to date, the sea wolf subs, of 50 warloads.

Specs of Flight V Virginia Class

Length: 480 ft
Beam: 34 ft
Displacement: 11,000 tons
Speed:
- 25 knots surfaced
- 32 knots submerged (Max)
Crew: 134
Propulsion: GE S9G Nuclear Reactor, 30Mw, 1 shaft
Max Depth: Greater than 1,000 ft.
Armament:
- 40 x VLS Tomahawk Missiles
- 4 X 533mm Tubes for 27 ADCAP Mk48 Torpedos, MK 60 Captor Mines, & Sub-Harpoon missiles.

A total of 67 weapons.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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NEW MIG-41 AIRCRAFT BASED ON THE MIG-31 “FOXHOUND” MAY BE DEVELOPED BY RUSSIA

March 8, 2014 · by globalaviationreport · in Fighter Aircraft, Military Aviation · Leave a comment

According to a report in Russian Aviation, a new MiG-41 aircraft may be developed that is based on the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor, a representative of the Russian State Duma Defense Committee, deputy Alexander Tarnaev, told journalists during a briefing at the Cultural Center of the Russian Armed Forces. “The corresponding decision was taken by the Chief of the General Staff; he has already signed the document to carry out research work on the MiG-41 project”, – he noted. According to the deputy, the MiG-41 “will embody all the advantages of the [MiG-31] fighter-interceptor jet”.
In addition, a few hundred MiG-31s may be overhauled and put into service by the Russian air force, Tarnaev noted. “The government has decided to overhaul and put into operation the MiG-31 fighter-interceptor”, he said. “This refers to hundreds of jets which will be operated by the Russian air forces after being overhauled”, – the deputy noted. The MiG-31 is a two-seat supersonic long-range fighter-interceptor. It was developed by OKB-155 (currently RAC “MiG”) in 1970s.

The MiG-31 is designed to intercept air targets at low, medium and high altitudes under any lighting or weather conditions; the jet is effective against active and passive electronic radar countermeasures and heat flares. A group of four MiG-31s is able to control airspace within a length of 800-900 km. Initially it was intended for intercepting cruise missiles and low-altitude satellites.

With Russia greatly expanding its presence in the vast Arctic region, from their perspective, the high-speed MiG-31 with its advanced phase-array radar would be the perfect aircraft for Russia to assign to that duty. They must of course understand that the U.S. and her Northern allies will counter. In particular, the U.S. can and probably will station additional F-22s in Alaska.

The MiG-31 or a derivative of that aircraft would prove no match for the highly maneuverable, advanced electronic-ed and very stealthy thrust-vectored F-22 air superiority fighter. But confrontation seems to be the direction that Russia is pushing the U.S. and her allies towards. Russia’s strategic decision to try and lay claim to most of the Arctic will cause other nations to take appropriately reactive decisions to prevent that outcome from occurring.
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Why do you think I put the Question Mark? The Russians set a unbelievably audacious Goal of a replacement for Mig31 by 2018-2020. A interceptor with equal speed to Mig31. In such a short time it seemed impossible for development of a totally new Aircraft. But if its just a "Silent Foxhound" that's a different story. The Russians would however need to as you are pointing to reestablish the production line for systems and parts. They would then need to determine the optimum amount of "Stealth" they could actually apply to the Mig31. I mean there is no way they are going to get a reduced IR signature from the rear of that bird. They may be able though to slope parts of the Fuselage and tail reduced some radar reflecting off the intakes and internalize some of its armaments. They can definitely update the computer and flight controls. A new Radar system and maybe even add some type of ASAT capacity via advanced Air to Air missiles. But all of this would still make it a member of the Foxhound Family, And would still have a rate of turn the size of many countries.
 

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Artcile: In particular, the U.S. can and probably will station additional F-22s in Alaska.


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Uh...I guess the folks who wrote this article do not know, but the US already has stationed significant numbers of F-22s in Alaska.

In fact, since 2007, F-22As have been based at Elmendorf, Alaska. It being the 2nd Operational Squadron established after Langley. 36 Aircraft were assigned there to the 3rd Wing of the 11th Air Force. And they have been doing their job too.


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I know it's just a rumor, but if true, wouldn't it be better to spend the resources on this "Mig-41" on the PAK-FA? I think the PAK-FA will have better stealth/ maneuverability. The PAK-FA may not have the same top speed as the Mig-31, but it should have supercruise ability, which could be more valueable during long range patrols.

It is probably necessary to "give" Mikoyan some work in order to keep the knowledge, technologies and equipment, but this is not the most efficient way I think.
 
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