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Jeff Head

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Sukhoi's claim that the fire won't affect the testing schedule is rather optimistic.
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I think it is more than "optimistic," I think it has to be wrong to say there will be no impact.

This is their latest prototype. Which would mean they have incorporated things they learned in earlier phases.

When that flying prototype is damaged by a fire like this, they will have to determine what caused this fire before they continue with their latest "version," testing.

Now, will they continue testing ealrier prototypes? Yes.

Will they continue building the even newer aircaft? Probably in areas clearly not associated with the fire...but you can bet they will want to find out what caused this and make sure they fix it.

They will be anxious to determine the cause of this fire so if there is anything related to the newest version they can fix it and ensure it does not carry forward to the even newer aircraft.

Oh...there will be an impact...no doubt. At least until they determine what caused the fire and fix anything they may have to fix to prevent it in the future.
 
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I thought navyreco would post this (I found it on his Facebook profile)
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They Buyan corvettes are powerful for their size.

They displace just under 1,000 tons.

The first three were called Project 21630 and three were built.

An improved version, Project 21631, was started in 2010 and two of those have been launched and are almost completed outfitting, to be commissioned in July of this year. Five others are at various stages of contruction. Two mor will probably be commissioned next year, with the last three being commissioned by 207. That will five them a total of ten of these vessels.

No helo facilities...not even a landing pad. But stroing anti-surface capabilities, and decent ASW capabilities when carrying the ASW version of the missile sen being launched. That missil has an ant-shipping version, and anit-surface/land attack version, and an anti-submarine version.

Also decent close-in anti-air defense for a vessel of this size.

As far as I can tell, most of these will be a part of the Caspian Flotilla, though Russia is willing to export them too.
 
Jura The idiot

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Jeff Head said:
They Buyan corvettes are powerful for their size.
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I kind of try to follow the Navies of the Caspian Sea (which is a lake :)
Here are the pictures of a corvette bigger than Buyan-class launching the X-35:
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Jeff Head said:
As far as I can tell, most of these will be a part of the Caspian Flotilla, though Russia is willing to export them too.
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my speculation is the prospective buyers would be the other Caspian Navies ... they could afford it
 
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Jura said:
...my speculation is the prospective buyers would be the other Caspian Navies ... they could afford it
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Well, they could be built for the littorals of almost any nation.

As to prospective Caspian purchasers...they would only sell it toa nation that was not likely to take issue with the Russian Flotilla there anyway. And since the Russian Flotilla is there...who would buy them?
 
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Jeff Head said:
Well, they could be built for the littorals of almost any nation.

As to prospective Caspian purchasers...they would only sell it toa nation that was not likely to take issue with the Russian Flotilla there anyway. And since the Russian Flotilla is there...who would buy them?
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if either of the two countries facing each other from the West and East Caspian Coast got one, the other would ask for two or three :)
 
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Russia sends 24 warships, bombers to Baltic drills as NATO stages war games

Russia has deployed 24 Baltic Fleet warships and vessels, along with heavy fighter jets and bombers, as reinforcement for military drills in the westernmost Kaliningrad region while NATO stages its own war games across the border.

On Wednesday, Moscow deployed a grouping of 24 Baltic Fleet warships and vessels for military drills in its exclave on the Baltic Sea coast. The drills were launched on Tuesday in response to NATO’s international drills – Saber Strike 2014 and BALTOPS 2014 –near Russia’s border.

"The squadrons of warships are performing the tasks of ensuring the protection of the state border of the Russian Federation, protecting marine communications, providing for shipping safety, organizing air defense, and searching for and detecting surface ships and submarines of the imaginary enemy," said Russia's Defense Ministry.

The ministry added that the newest Su-34 Fullback fighter bombers and Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft have also taken off from their air base in Voronezh region to join the war games in Kalinigrad.

"Tu-22M3 long-range bombers are in the state of readiness to patrol the area of the exercises. An A-50 long-range airborne warning and control system aircraft is involved in the drills for reconnaissance purposes."

The presence of Russia’s military force in the war games is “equitable” with the number of NATO troops concentrated in the three nearby Baltic states – Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia – which are hosting the drills from June 9-21, the Defense Ministry noted.

The drills come amid heightened tensions between Russia and the West over the Ukrainian crisis. Troops from the US, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Norway, and the UK taking part in the war games beefed up their presence near the Russian border, accusing Moscow of having an aggressive stance in the Ukrainian conflict.
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Jeff Head

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The US and Russia continue to play the cat and mouse/intercept games too. Well off Alaska.


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thunderchief

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Jeff Head said:
The US and Russia continue to play the cat and mouse/intercept games too. Well off Alaska.
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I remember that back in 80's NATO would lure out Soviet Mig-31s in order to do SIGINT on them, mostly with patrol planes like P-3 Orion . Maybe now Russians play the same game: go close with well known planes like Tu-95 (no secret to US) in order to draw out F-22s .
 
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thunderchief said:
I remember that back in 80's NATO would lure out Soviet Mig-31s in order to do SIGINT on them, mostly with patrol planes like P-3 Orion . Maybe now Russians play the same game: go close with well known planes like Tu-95 (no secret to US) in order to draw out F-22s .
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early morning thinking of an amateur like me: the Raptor against Bear sure looks like an overkill :) but how would the Russians know what type of airplane was going to intercept??
 
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