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TerraN_EmpirE

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Well, here is the thing. First T50 and a possible future Silent Hound actually have different Missions. See Pakfa is meant more to be offensive. She is meant to penetrate into Enemy territory and engage in dogfights against similarly classed fighters. That is the mission of SU27 which the Russians are looking to replace. Think of PakFa as for the Western part of the Russian Federation.
Mig31 is not meant to do that and a Silenthound or mig41 would neither. Its a interceptor a defensive platform meant to cruise the open skies over the ungodly uninhabited lands of Siberia and missile enemy bombers from the sky. Now added to that is a rumored ASAT role and reconnaissance. Think of This as Meant for the Eastern part of the Russian Federation.
Now as to giving work to Mig? A couple points. First Mig, Sukhoi, Yak, Tupilov and Mu along with Kamov and Mil are all owned by the Russian United Aircraft Corporation . Second Mig still has other active contracts including to the Russian Navy and lastly if this report about mig 41 is true and the new interceptor is a Silent Foxhound then the resources are available and would likely include clean up from PakFa which is past the structural phase and is on systems integration.
 
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Scyth

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Well, here is the thing. First T50 and a possible future Silent Hound actually have different Missions. See Pakfa is meant more to be offensive. She is meant to penetrate into Enemy territory and engage in dogfights against similarly classed fighters. That is the mission of SU27 which the Russians are looking to replace. Think of PakFa as for the Western part of the Russian Federation.
Mig31 is not meant to do that and a Silenthound or mig41 would neither. Its a interceptor a defensive platform meant to cruise the open skies over the ungodly uninhabited lands of Siberia and missile enemy bombers from the sky. Now added to that is a rumored ASAT role and reconnaissance. Think of This as Meant for the Eastern part of the Russian Federation.
Now as to giving work to Mig? A couple points. First Mig, Sukhoi, Yak, Tupilov and Mu along with Kamov and Mil are all owned by the Russian United Aircraft Corporation . Second Mig still has other active contracts including to the Russian Navy and lastly if this report about mig 41 is true and the new interceptor is a Silent Foxhound then the resources are available and would likely include clean up from PakFa which is past the structural phase and is on systems integration.
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I understand the role differences, but would these role differences require very much different airframes? If an aircraft is able to provide air superiority above an enemy territory, it should also be able to provide air defense. I think that the PAK-FA could be more effective during patrols thanks to supercruise than the Mig-31.

I'm not saying that Mikoyan doesn't have work. I mean that in order to keep the skills etc. necessary to build an aircraft, they'll have to build one again. Naval work won't help much in that area.
 
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thunderchief

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In reality, I don't think there would be any 5th gen interceptors, at least for a while . Russia simply could not afford that, even the number of PAKFA is highly questionable.

What would probably happen is attempt to keep factories like this afloat :
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So we could expect some more Mig-31BMs and if economic situation permits slight redesign of Mig-31 - reduced frontal RCS, structural changes , better avionics , new engines etc.
 
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Skywatcher

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thunderchief said:
In reality, I don't think there would be any 5th gen interceptors, at least for a while . Russia simply could not afford that, even the number of PAKFA is highly questionable.

What would probably happen is attempt to keep factories like this afloat :
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So we could expect some more Mig-31BMs and if economic situation permits slight redesign of Mig-31 - reduced frontal RCS, structural changes , better avionics , new engines etc.
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The "MiG 41" will probably play the same role to the MiG-31 as the Su-35 does to the Su-27, I can't see them building a ridiculous Mach 4 interceptor as some of the ridiculous rumors from this March claimed.
 
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F-15

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wow what a size comparison!
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The Russian Mi26 Tail rotor is actually built to the same size and specifications as the main Rotor of the American MD500 Defender. Thats a 6 man light helicopter.
MI26 is not even the largest Russian Chopper ever built that title belongs to the Mi V12.
 
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F-15

Banned Idiot
TerraN_EmpirE said:
The Russian Mi26 Tail rotor is actually built to the same size and specifications as the main Rotor of the American MD500 Defender. Thats a 6 man light helicopter.
MI26 is not even the largest Russian Chopper ever built that title belongs to the Mi V12.
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Interesting but still a formidable aircraft, what do you think about this old project?

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or this aircraft do you like it?

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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
well the first one more or less came to be. Albeit without the crew cabin in the form of the KA50.
the issue for the Ilyushin Il-80 is age and repair, the Russian air force suffered hard in the 90's and early 2000s
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Russia's first new-generation Il-76 nears delivery
By: CRAIG HOYLELONDON Source: 18:45 24 Jun 2014
The Russian air force’s first of an eventual 39 Ilyushin Il-76MD-90A transports has emerged from the Aviastar SP production plant in Ulyanovsk, following the completion of equipment installation and fuel system tests.

Equipped with new glass cockpit avionics and powered by Perm PS-90A-76 turbofan engines, the enhanced model also features a modified wing and reinforced landing gear.


Following its painting by Spectr-Avia, the new airlifter will undergo ground and flight tests. “This year, the airplane will be delivered to the customer,” says Aviastar SP general director Sergey Dementiev.

According to the company, 13 of Russia’s new-generation Il-76s are now in various stages of production. Ordered in October 2012, the -90A variant will bolster an in-service fleet of almost 100 earlier-model transports operated by the nation’s air force.
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Scyth

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Not looking good if only 2/8 satelites function within the designed timeframe of 5-7 years, which isn't it already short?

I wonder what that "new early warning system" is or how it works.

Russia Blinded By Loss of Missile Detection Satellite

The Moscow Times
Jun. 25 2014 20:11
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S. Porter / VedomostiA model of a military satellite being displayed at an exhibition in Moscow.

Russia has lost contact with one of three military satellites responsible for detecting intercontinental ballistic missile launches, leaving Moscow blind to possible nuclear attacks, Kommersant reported Wednesday, citing a source in the Defense Ministry.

The Oko-1 satellite, otherwise catalogued as Kosmos-2479 — a euphemistic designation often given to Soviet and Russian military space hardware or spacecraft that fails after reaching orbit — was intended to act as the Defense Ministry's eye in the sky for a period of five to seven years after its launch in March 2012.

The satellite began malfunctioning soon after coming online but maintained some level of functionality until April, the source told Kommersant.

In order to provide global coverage with the Oko system, Moscow needs to have two functioning satellites of this type in orbit, and now there are none.

Only two of the eight 1.5 million ruble ($45 million) Oko-1 satellites deployed since 1991 have functioned for more than five years.

The Oko-1 satellite was located in geostationary orbit, meaning that it circles the globe in such a way as to constantly hover above a fixed point on the Earth's surface, in this case the U.S. The Defense Ministry in 2005 said publicly that these types of satellites were "hopelessly outdated."

Russia does have two older types of missile detection satellites in highly elliptical orbits, meaning that location relative to the Earth often changes. In order to provide constant coverage with these types of satellites, Russia would need to maintain six of them in space at any given moment. As a result, Moscow can now only monitor U.S. missile launches for three hours a day.

In 2011, then-commander of the Russian Space Forces, Oleg Ostapenko — now head of the Federal Space Agency — said that Russia would no longer replace failing satellites, but instead focus its efforts on creating an entirely new early warning system. Information on the program is scarce.
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