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Richard Santos

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M777 is an idiotic donation. It’s main virtue is it weigh nothing so it can easily be air lifted or transported to where otherwise artillery will be hard to deploy. But it is unsuited to where there is balance of artillery power on both sides.

But hey, hardware is just money. and it’s not like Ukrainian lives even cost anything.
 

Petrolicious88

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“”But just as much credit for the shattering of Russian illusions lies in a phenomenon long known to military sociologists,” writes Eliot Cohen of Johns Hopkins University:

“that armies, by and large, reflect the qualities of the societies from which they emerge.” Russia’s state, says Mr Cohen, “rests on corruption, lies, lawlessness and coercion”. Each one has been laid bare by Russia’s army in this war.””
 

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podcast with Michael Kofman.

Basic points:

Russia's military capacity will be exhausted after the current offensive in the Donbas.
Russian military not structured for this kind of conflict, high levels of attrition, desperately short of infantry.
Opportunities for Ukrainian counter-offensives, evolution of forces over time will favour Ukraine.
Putin has "hamstrung" the Russian military by not declaring national mobilisation.
Believes Putin is reluctant to mobilise as declaration of war means he can no longer define victory in narrow terms, i.e. a limited conflict becomes total war.
Nonetheless, further down the line if Ukrainian forces successfully counter-attack in the Donbas and significantly erode Russian gains, likelihood of Russian national mobilisation increases.
I have seen Strelkov refer to the need for a “national mobilization” or “partial mobilization” quite often. What does this entail and would it have any significant effect on the conflict?
 

Zichan

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M777 is an idiotic donation. It’s main virtue is it weigh nothing so it can easily be air lifted or transported to where otherwise artillery will be hard to deploy. But it is unsuited to where there is balance of artillery power on both sides.

But hey, hardware is just money. and it’s not like Ukrainian lives even cost anything.
Isn’t it more about the kind of ammo these guns use? NATO can give them truckloads of guided 155 mm rounds.

Do NATO countries still manufactured Warsaw Pact artillery ammo? If not, Ukraine will soon be running out of ammunition and will have to make the switch towards NATO guns.
 

Zichan

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How they came to this conclusion?

Ukraine had 100 of 2S7 Pions, that is superior in raw firepower compared to the Pzh2000.

Germany has 100 of Phz , Netherlands 57, 24 in service.


Ukraine has/had as good/better armament in bigger quantities than the ones that the NATO sending.

The firing ranges given in the Wiki and similar pages cominig from company adds, about future projects, on the Russian side from the history books, about past capabilities.
Pions deliver far less firepower than the Pzh2000: 1.5 rpm vs 10-13 rpm. Its bigger rounds cannot compensate for such a dramatic discrepancy in ROF.
 

Lethe

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I have seen Strelkov refer to the need for a “national mobilization” or “partial mobilization” quite often. What does this entail and would it have any significant effect on the conflict?

Mobilisation is about increasing the manpower available to Russia's armed forces by bringing civilians in (via conscription, probably) and training them to become soldiers who can be deployed in the conflict.

Russia is currently fighting in Ukraine only with its existing (i.e. "peacetime") standing army. This stands in contrast to Ukraine, which at this point has mobilised much of its fighting-age male population, such that Ukraine now has more soldiers than Russia does. As the months wear on these new Ukrainian soldiers will become increasingly well trained and well equipped.

Unfortunately for Russia, its manpower issues go significantly beyond this basic distinction between a mobilised Ukraine and non-mobilised Russia. This is because some 30% of Russia's armed forces consist of conscripts who, by law, cannot be deployed outside Russia without a national declaration of war, which has not occurred (this is still a "special military operation"). There are indications that the military is using various means to get around this restriction such that there are some Russian conscripts in Ukraine, but nonetheless this is a major constraint on Russian manpower availability. But it gets worse: Russia's BTGs (Battalion Tactical Groups) are intentionally undermanned to begin with, because they were structured under the assumption that any major conflict would be accompanied by national mobilisation which would in turn disproportionately be used to fill out the ranks of infantry.

Without the conscript element of their force available, and without the national mobilisation that was anticipated to accompany any major conflict, Russia's armed forces are short on manpower and desperately short on infantry in particular: you have Russian BTGs at 50-60% overall manpower where the infantry component is at more like 30% strength. This leads to armoured units operating without effective infantry support, leaving them vulnerable to ambushes and consequently leading to the heavy attrition that we have observed.

National mobilisation is not a cure-all for Russia's woes in this conflict. Beyond allowing for existing conscripts (which are about to be discharged in line with peacetime practices!) to be sent to the front, it would take some months for this influx of civilians to be trained, equipped and organised for combat. As such, it only makes sense if the conflict is going to be a prolonged one, which seems increasingly probable. I suspect that Putin is awaiting results in the Donbas before making any decision.

The other side of national mobilisation is political-economic. Under conditions of war, the entire national economy can be geared to war production as occurred during the Great Patriotic War (WW2).
 
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Anlsvrthng

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Pions deliver far less firepower than the Pzh2000: 1.5 rpm vs 10-13 rpm. Its bigger rounds cannot compensate for such a dramatic discrepancy in ROF.
Honestly the two gun is not in the same category.


The Pion has longer range, heavier shells, and low ROF in exchange.

That is the top of class component of the artillery power of the Russian army.

Main use of this would be to attack the Phz2000 from outside its envelope.
 

gelgoog

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Pions deliver far less firepower than the Pzh2000: 1.5 rpm vs 10-13 rpm. Its bigger rounds cannot compensate for such a dramatic discrepancy in ROF.
Russia does not use the 2S7 Pion. They use the 2S7M Malka upgrade. The original Malka of the 1980s has improved fire control and integrated mechanical loader which boosted the ROF from 1.5 to 2.5 rpm. And like two years ago Russia upgraded all the Malkas with electronic communications and fire control.
 

gelgoog

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I have seen Strelkov refer to the need for a “national mobilization” or “partial mobilization” quite often. What does this entail and would it have any significant effect on the conflict?
A partial mobilization would probably entail calling up the active reserves i.e. people who have already finished their conscription period, and are kept in an active pool, which are trained every so often to be available to be called up when necessary. Those would probably be given rear line positions to focus more professional units on front line duty. They might also call up former army members who already left the force to pad up the available numbers and give some sort of command quality to the reservists. I have heard numbers where active reserves would add like an extra 150% to the amount of people they already have in Ukraine. Up to 350 thousand extra troops.

A national mobilization would be closer to full mobilization i.e. total war. You would call up the remaining reserves for training, i.e. people who finished their conscription period, but are not kept in the active pool, to be available for use, and you would basically draft loads of people and increase the amount of conscripted. Russia typically only calls a certain percentage of the population for conscription, 10%?, not everyone. And people can delay conscription by going to college. You would basically change that. And you might redirect the Russian industry from civilian production to military one.

You are not supposed to use the troops currently undergoing conscription to either fight or be in the conflict, even in rear area duty, unless it came to a really dire position. Unfortunately the Russian military has a long tradition of hazing and the like, so some in the army might just try to push conscripts into tasks near the combat zone, so they can get a feel for being in a combat zone. It seems that did happen and some were put into logistics initially. They were near the end of their conscription period. The government explicitly forbade that though. So I doubt it will happen again and if it does those officers will likely be reprimanded.
 
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Richard Santos

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I have seen Strelkov refer to the need for a “national mobilization” or “partial mobilization” quite often. What does this entail and would it have any significant effect on the conflict?

Historically, “Partial mobilization” in Russian parlance means something different from what it might sound. It is not some general halfway point between peace and summoning all the available men and material of the entire country for war. It means very specifically putting the existing resources of some military districts on full alert without putting others on alert.

In the current context that may be a veiled way of saying putting nuclear forces on full alert.
 
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