Russian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
The black sea fleet was even more potent during the cold war. They were much feared even by the USN back in the day. They are still a very potent force today but a shadow of what they were 20 or 30 years ago. Before my time at any rate but during Gerry's time I think.

No question about it the Soviet Union did hold a formidable power and even operated in the Gulf of Mexico back in the days

After Vietnam war USSR expanded its military and took advantage of the time and then when Ronald Reagan took power he pressed to rebuild the USN "600 ship navy" they came close but the idea was that USN should be able to land in Europe and hold off the Soviet Union for a counter attack and also engage in a massive build up in the Pacific from Japan's side which would put the Soviet Union at a disadvantage having to split its defences in two and fighting a war on two fronts

Towards the end of the cold war I think the USN operated 15 carrier strike groups , 4 battleship surface action groups with over 100 attack submarines

Turkey's job was same as UK to stop the Soviet naval forces from breaking out into the open waters and if they managed it 2 full strength USN carrier strike groups would be waiting there at all times

Essentially what Reagan did was force the Soviets into a huge expensive arms race and see which one can go the distance, for the Soviet Union they ran out of steam and collapsed they couldn't keep pace while US continued onwards
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
No question about it the Soviet Union did hold a formidable power and even operated in the Gulf of Mexico back in the days

After Vietnam war USSR expanded its military and took advantage of the time and then when Ronald Reagan took power he pressed to rebuild the USN "600 ship navy" they came close but the idea was that USN should be able to land in Europe and hold off the Soviet Union for a counter attack and also engage in a massive build up in the Pacific from Japan's side which would put the Soviet Union at a disadvantage having to split its defences in two and fighting a war on two fronts

Towards the end of the cold war I think the USN operated 15 carrier strike groups , 4 battleship surface action groups with over 100 attack submarines

Turkey's job was same as UK to stop the Soviet naval forces from breaking out into the open waters and if they managed it 2 full strength USN carrier strike groups would be waiting there at all times

Essentially what Reagan did was force the Soviets into a huge expensive arms race and see which one can go the distance, for the Soviet Union they ran out of steam and collapsed they couldn't keep pace while US continued onwards

A big part of that was due to the price of oil as well. Oil prices hike significantly in the 70s then drop almost as much in the 1980s. The former USSR basically loss significant revenue on projects that were envisioned and funded while the revenue stream was very good. That basically collapsed the former USSR.

The Marxist ideology was also not sustainable also.

China is a little different today. Even though on paper they practice communism but the 'flavor' of communism China practices today is vastly different than the old Soviet style that is more compatible with free trade and amicable with Western type ideologies. I don't see the same fate happening to the former USSR befalling China however I do see the same fate happening to the CURRENT Russia because Putin is flexing his muscles due to increase revenue from oil again.
As the saying goes you can't put all your eggs in one basket! Looks like Russia is again putting all their eggs in the same basket again!
If or when oil prices goes down you will see similar fate with Russian equipment going into disrepair and not having the manpower to maintain them.
I consider myself a conservative however when it comes to energy I am all about alternative fuel. We need to get away from foreign oil or better yet just fossil fuel in general to power our economy.

Somebody needs to invent the damn Dilithium cells already! ;)

/end ranting
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Here are some more ships from the black sea fleet:
sFFQAMx.jpg


yJCeDwB.jpg


tJX3vrY.jpg


P4CsyfM.jpg


FDNOQr2.jpg


sxF5pwt.jpg


r1XT4Nf.jpg


I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Jeff you know what will happen to the Kirov class cruisers? From what I have managed to read up on, only the Pyotr Velikiy is active. The Admiral Nakhimov, Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov are supposedly being modernized and are in either port or dry dock. Do you know what will be the disposition of these vessels?

VhT1WZq.jpg


These are incredible powerful vessels (at least on paper). I cannot see the Russians giving them up, unless the modernization and operational costs outweigh the benefits of the vessel.
Thanks




I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Jeff you know what will happen to the Kirov class cruisers? From what I have managed to read up on, only the Pyotr Velikiy is active. The Admiral Nakhimov, Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov are supposedly being modernized and are in either port or dry dock. Do you know what will be the disposition of these vessels?

These are incredible powerful vessels (at least on paper). I cannot see the Russians giving them up, unless the modernization and operational costs outweigh the benefits of the vessel.

Thanks
Well, lets take them one at a time, form newest to oldest:

Pyotr Velikiy CGN 099: This vessel is active now. She was the last one built, being laid down in 1986 as the Yuri Andropov, and launched in 1989. But this was just before the Soviet Union fell, and there were no funds to complete her outfitting and commissioning. She was finally completed and commissioned in 1996. This allowed her to be outfitted with some more modern equipment. Like the Admiral Nakhimon, she was fitted with 6 Kashtan CADS-N-A CIWS systems. She is the flagship of the Northern Fleet. Outside of some engineering problems with her steerage that were corrected and repaired in 2004, she has been on many deployments with various Russian task forces. she is a very visible part of the Russian Navy.

Admiral Nakhimov CGN 085: She was laid down in 1983 as the Kaliniin and launched in 1986 and commissioned in late 1989 just before the fall of the Soviet Union. She was rarely used and fell into a state of disrepair due to lack of funds, and by 1999 was permanently docked. In 2006 the decision was taken to repair and update her, and work began. But by 2011 it had not been completed and the project languished. In 2012, work was stopped because firm decisions had not been made on her final configuration. In 2013, work was said to have started again with the idea of finishing her by 2017 and having her become the flagship of the Pacific fleet in 2018. Funding appears firm at this point and the decision has been made to change her principle anti-surface missile armament to the P-800 Oniks supersonic anti-ship missile, and to change her principle anti-air missile system to a navalized version of the S-400 system. She differed from the 1st two vessels having the six Kashtan CIWS systems and a single dual barrel 130mm main gun aft instead of two single barreled 100mm guns, which the Pyotr Velikiy also received.

Admiral Lazarev CGN: This was the second Kirov class cruiser. Laid down in 1978 as the Frunze, she was launched in 1981 and commissioned in 1984. The major difference between her and the 1st ship, the Kirov was getting a greater anti-air defense with the SA-N-9 VLS system forward replacing anti-submarine guided missiles there. The following two ships would also have this feature. She was taken out of service in 1999, having been laid up after the fall of the Soviet Union. They planned to scrap her and her nuclear fuel was unloaded in 2005. Currently the ship is moored near Vladivostok and in a general state of disrepair. Despite talk of overhauling and modernizing her, given her current state, her lack of a fueled reactor, and the massive costs all fo this would incur, it seems very unlikely that she will ever go to sea again. I just do not see them overhauling her.

Admiral Ushakov CGN: This is the first Kirov-class nuclear powered battle cruiser. She was laid down in 1974 as the Kirov, launched in 1978 and commissioned in 1981. She was the largest modern naval surface combatant built since World War II, and the entire class remains in that distinction to this day. She served ably in the Soviet fleet and was the pride and flagship of that fleet. But, in 1990, as the Soviet Union teetered and collapsed, she suffered a major reactor accident while in the Mediterranean. The necessary repairs were never carried out. Russia did not have the funds for it. She has languished at dockside ever since, for 24 years now. It is likely that she was been highly cannibalized for other ships throughout the 1990s, particularly for the Lazarev until she was laid up in 1999. Given the damage, the likely cannibalization, and the long term state of disrepair, it is far less likely, even than for the Lazarev, that she will ever put to sea again.

The last I had heard was that the newest two will go forward. Pyotr Velikiy as the flagship of the Northern Fleet, and, after her overhaul and upgrade, the Admiral Nakhimov as the flagship of the Pacific fleet (which are by far the two largest Russian fleets).

I doubt very, very seriously if either of the other two will ever be overhauled and modernized...or go to sea again.
 
Last edited:

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Somebody needs to invent the damn Dilithium cells already! ;)

/end ranting

On that note the future is going to be Lithium-Air battery's as apposed to the usual Lithium-Ion battery's

In the Li-Air the cathode is replaced with "air" where oxygen is oxidised rather than a heavy metal

This gives Li-Air battery's 10 times the energy density Li-Ion have and brings it close what what a litre of gasoline can produce

It's lighter, more powerful and less harmful

What dies it mean? It means electric cars can do 500 miles unrefuelled as opposed to the 75 miles they are doing now

It also means energy storage will hit the sky just google Lithium-Air battery's I say within 5 years we have a working prototype
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Enjoy some T-50 photographs. The T-50 is the aircraft designed by Sukhoi for the PAK FA program

7KgGlib.jpg


mfkvnsO.jpg


sp6FEI1.jpg


KjEXbVj.jpg


Zi0S6hs.jpg




I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
The last I had heard was that the newest two will go forward. Pyotr Velikiy as the flagship of the Northern Fleet, and, after her overhaul and upgrade, the Admiral Nakhimov as the flagship of the Pacific fleet (which are by far the two largest Russian fleets).

I doubt very, very seriously if either of the other two will ever be overhauled and modernized...or go to sea again.

Thank you Jeff! Great update on the Kirov class.

It is always sad to see a good looking ship, such as the Kirov class, in such a state of abandonment and disrepair. All of those majestic vessel that where constructed during Soviet times rusting away due to lack of monies for basic maintenance and modernizations. Most people and even world leaders don’t realize the cost of training, operating and maintaining a modern navy. But navies are essential to any sea faring nation on the world stage. You cannot be a world power without a Navy. US Navy and England in the modern era; and England, France and Spain in historical time.

I am not a naval expert, but I imagine that after 24 years in port with no maintenance the vessel is beyond repair. I can only equate it to my home which is over 50 years old. Even though it has been modernized, I still have problems with plumbing, foundation and electrical.



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

navyreco

Senior Member
eOre2lU.jpg

On May 21st 2014, Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky (incorporated by the JSC „Ak Bars“ Holding Company») officially the first ship of Project 22100 class named "Ocean". The customer is the border guard units of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB, successor of the KGB). Development work of a new patrol ship began in 2009 by order of the FSB border guards, but the actual design and development work on the project 22100 began in 2011.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Thank you Jeff! Great update on the Kirov class.

It is always sad to see a good looking ship, such as the Kirov class, in such a state of abandonment and disrepair. All of those majestic vessel that where constructed during Soviet times rusting away due to lack of monies for basic maintenance and modernizations. Most people and even world leaders don’t realize the cost of training, operating and maintaining a modern navy. But navies are essential to any sea faring nation on the world stage. You cannot be a world power without a Navy. US Navy and England in the modern era; and England, France and Spain in historical time.

I am not a naval expert, but I imagine that after 24 years in port with no maintenance the vessel is beyond repair. I can only equate it to my home which is over 50 years old. Even though it has been modernized, I still have problems with plumbing, foundation and electrical.



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec

I think the problem is two fold here firstly it's going to be very expensive to get these units back into action

Secondly it will cost a fortune to run and operate these vessels a price which might be so high it's hardly worth it

Getting a ship into the water is one thing running it and operating it is another
 
Top