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Gloire_bb

Gloire_bb

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Phead128 said:
All fair points. China will have two or more CATOBARs with J-35 operational by the time Vietnam is operationally proficient with Checkmates (if Russia can even deliver, doubt it) and China will have decades of experience operating stealth fighters and carriers.
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What's the connection?
Why exactly J-35s from CATOBARs are so relevant for Vietnam?
And how hypothetical Vietnamese LTSes are affected by Chinese CATOBARs?

Phead128 said:
Vietnam and Russia stands no chance at containing China, they shouldn't underestimate China's firm willingness to defend SCS as it's core interest.
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At this point, you seriously sound like a provocator.
 
Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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Phead128 said:
If Vietnam purchase 24 checkmates fighters from Russia, then it's "Checkmate" game over for China in SCS as far as 4 or 4.5 gen fighters go. No amount of J-11Bs or Su-27s or J-15s currently stationed on SCS islands can defeat 24 Vietnamese Checkmates.

China needs to dedicate an entire EMAL- CATOBAR worth of J-35s just to counter the Vietnamese threat in SCS. J-35s can't even be deployed effectively on Liaoning or Shandong and J-15s would get wiped out by the Checkmates. J-20s from mainland likely can't sortie to Spratlys without refueling tankers.

So while I'm glad Russia can profit a few hundred million from the Checkmate sales to Vietnam, China must dedicate an entire $12 billion CATOBAR (or two) just to counter the Checkmates from Vietnam.

That's a ton of Chinese resources redirected from facing US Navy into facing a tiny nation on the periphery, esp. if Checkmates are purchased in meaningful numbers. Every CATOBAR counts against the US Navy...
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I think the hundreds of F-35s of US, Japan, Australia, and SK are the true threat that China is preparing for. These are the clear and present danger to China in the immediate future. The 24 Russian Checkmates to Vietnam is still hypothetical, and is most probably still decades away from happening.

So, if China has to prepare for a fight against massed F-35s formations from Japan, USA, SK, Australia, etc. Shouldn't China be more than prepared for less than a hundred Checkmates flown by Vietnam and India? In any case, Russia had already attempted to sell Su-57s to India. But that has so far not materialized. Thus no speculative military deal is set in stone. There were many speculated deals didn't happen in the past. Such as the: early model J-10 sales to Pakistan, J-10 sales to Iran, or Tu-22M to China, etc.
 
siegecrossbow

siegecrossbow

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sequ said:
This actually looks legit like a light fighter with a medium thrust engine. A first in the 5th gen family? Internal payload will be very poor I guess.
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Almost looks like a stealth version of JF-17 that fanboys have been harping about for years.
 
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