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TerraN_EmpirE

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think if the March 4 MiG-41 does materialize (it's a big if) it would provide the Russians with an asymmetric weapon system which would enable them to do hit & run attacks on stealth aircraft, or hit the rearguard units like the AWACS
AWACS and Tankers yes. Stealths no. Again it wouldn't see them until it was on top of them.
Awacs and tankers though sure.
that someone with modern short legged US weapon systems would use
Oh please this is across the board.
Oh but the range... The US lists combat radius that is the distance a fighter can occupy and still have the fuel to RTB Russian and Chinese don't list that they only list ferry range without weapons.
The only reason it's not as big a deal for the Russians is the vast step houses airbases. For the Chinese? The majority of China is land again for airbases. And with their island bases they can make up for that. The Issue for the U.S. is in a fight it is abroad.
It don't think something like the MiG-41 is impossible. I mean how old is the SR-71 by now
SR71 was unique and had issues that wouldn't work for modern and especially low observable. For example it leaked I MEAN LEAKED. Because of its flight envelope the aircraft was built with loose tolerances so that as it flew and heated up the metal expanded. But this meant the fuel loaded in her on take off had leaked out in early flight she had to tank before mission because her on board fuel was gone.
This AIN'T gonna happen, for starters, you have no idea have "finicky" the SR-71 is/was to operate, its a space craft, getting to Mach 3 is a technological nightmare, engaging a target at that speed is bananas crazy.....
Indeed although A12 did have a interceptor version concept. It would have suffered the same issues as SR71 mind you.

But the claims of the Mig41 are right out of sci-fi especially the time line.
It's supposed to be built by 2025. That means it should be in prototype form right now. And... Nodda.
It may one day be real but there timeline is bogus to say the least. My bet is Mig41 will be more of a Mig31 update than uber interceptor.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
30-40km. Meaning it already has to be virtually on top of the stealth to begin with.
The IRST at best gives you again 30-40km.
Again it has to be virtually on top of the target already.
If the radar/IR doing scan.
If the VHF phased array pinpoint onto it then the detection distance can double (back in the envelope calculation)
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
So 60-80km that's basically on top of it again.

at Mach 3 or 4 that's NOT a window to employ a weapon, if you slow down to track and launch, you have sacrificed the tremendous energy and speed that keep you safe,,, so I'm calling this a "fairy tale", lots of folks tell fairy tails in the defense world, particularly in regimes where there is little accountability back to the people...

Dictatorships weave their own little narratives, and theres no one who is honestly willing or able to hold them accountable....

so Bull! not gonna happen.....

so if you were going after a tanker or B-52, its do able, but after a B-2 or stealthy fighter, its just not going to happen.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Russia completes building infrastructure for Sarmat ICBMs

December 17, 13:26UTC+3

Sarmat is Russia's advanced silo-based system with the heavy liquid propellant intercontinental ballistic missile
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MOSCOW, December 17. /TASS/. The infrastructure for deploying Russia’s most advanced Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) has been fully prepared, Deputy Defense Minister Timur Ivanov said in an interview published in the business daily Kommersant.

"Over the past few years, we have created modern infrastructure for deploying Yars complexes and the infrastructure for the Sarmat missile system has already been prepared. The most complex facilities have been put into operation and radar stations are already on combat duty in their high operational readiness," the newspaper quoted the deputy defense minister as saying.

Russia has also reconstructed 19 airfields for the Aerospace Force and built 11 hydro-technical structures and 23 coastal facilities for the Navy, he added.

"The results are very substantial and we will be stepping up the pace of building the infrastructure," the deputy defense minister said.

The RS-28 Sarmat is the Russian advanced silo-based system with the heavy liquid propellant intercontinental ballistic missile. It has been in the process of its development since the 2000s to replace the R-36M2 Voyevoda ICBM.

It weighs about 200 tonnes and has a throw weight of around 10 tonnes. The media reported in late December 2017 about the first successful pop-up test of the Sarmat ICBM.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Russia's Satan 2 ICBM Service Entry Delayed As Arms Control Deals Falter
Technical issues or economic problems might be the source of the delay, but it means the missiles could enter service in the middle of an arms race.
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DECEMBER 17, 2018
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The Kremlin has revealed that the planned date for deploying its new
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intercontinental ballistic missiles, also known as the SS-X-30 Satan 2, has gotten pushed back, even as it announced which unit will be the first to receive these weapons. The delay could be due to technical issues with the missile, Russia’s slumped economy, or a combination of factors. It also means the country won’t be fielding the weapons until after a key arms control deal with the United States, the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or
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, potentially expires, which has sparked concerns about an impending arms race.
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They plan for some time in 2021.
The missile is said to be designed to try and get around the American missile defence system.
The Russians have always disliked the idea of a missile defence systems.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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SR71 was unique and had issues that wouldn't work for modern and especially low observable. For example it leaked I MEAN LEAKED. Because of its flight envelope the aircraft was built with loose tolerances so that as it flew and heated up the metal expanded. But this meant the fuel loaded in her on take off had leaked out in early flight she had to tank before mission because her on board fuel was gone.

Indeed although A12 did have a interceptor version concept. It would have suffered the same issues as SR71 mind you.

But the claims of the Mig41 are right out of sci-fi especially the time line.
It's supposed to be built by 2025. That means it should be in prototype form right now. And... Nodda.
It may one day be real but there timeline is bogus to say the least. My bet is Mig41 will be more of a Mig31 update than uber interceptor.

The Lockheed A12 was not the only proposal for that program. There was also the Convair Kingfish. Parallel to that, around the time of the Valkyrie bomber project, there was a corresponding program for an escort fighter/interceptor: the North American XF-108 Rapier. That was basically the aircraft the MiG-25 was made to compete with.
Other countries had similar programs contemporary to the Lockheed A12 including British, French, and Soviet programs.

Like I said today we have much better manufacturing technology and materials. For example friction-stir-welding was invented in the early 1990s and is widely used in the space industry. It is one reason why SpaceX's rockets are able to achieve a dry mass fraction as low as they can. They can make a two-stage to orbit vehicle which would otherwise have required a three-stage-vehicle or reduced the payload. A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket first stage reaches like Mach 6+ speeds and is built of Al-Li alloys. It can get toasty so it needs some sort of thermal protection system (TPS). But if you could make the vehicle out of titanium, which isn't outside the realm of possibility (heck the SR-71 used that), then it shouldn't even need the TPS. For example the latest Falcon 9 first stages have titanium grid fins without a TPS and withstand those speeds just fine. There are also carbon fiber composites and ceramic matrix composites. The Soviets had high density hydrocarbon fuels like Sintin which is a kind of hydrocarbon which has more density than the fuel the SR-71 used.
Even if they did not have a combined turbofan/ramjet engine like that of the SR-71. If the Russians just wanted a quick hack of an aircraft which would have a limited range. They could simply stick an RD-193 rocket engine into it.

Any aircraft which that kind of speed would need to have a longer range radar than its competition. So, much like the MiG-31 it should have a huge radar. This would not be particularly hard to design, especially given how AESA radars are constructed with modules. It would just be more expensive than a regular radar.

I mean just look at SpaceShipTwo. It withstands similar speeds. If a small company like Scaled Composites could do it, do you think a nation state can't do something better than that?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I mean just look at SpaceShipTwo. It withstands similar speeds. If a small company like Scaled Composites could do it, do you think a nation state can't do something better than that?
Space Ship Two is not a combat aircraft. It has a very short range and single functions also it operates as a parasite during most of its flight. And in case you haven't noticed it's been delayed by over a decade.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Well, it is another of those outlandish Russian proposals. It is a typical Russian thing to do. Propose a grandiose vision that seems impossible, then fund it with a trickle in R&D money. In like a decade or two you might see some results or the whole thing gets cancelled.
 
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