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gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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Space Ship Two is not a combat aircraft. It has a very short range and single functions also it operates as a parasite during most of its flight. And in case you haven't noticed it's been delayed by over a decade.

Yeah and half of that is because of the engine. They had to use a hybrid propulsion engine that no one else uses. The other half was shoddy quality control on the first aircraft. While I wouldn't put shoddy quality control over the Russians either, ahem, the engine, that they do have if they want to. Besides the MiG-41 doesn't need to go full blown suborbital. The SS2 is a parasite because it needs to fly outside the atmosphere. The MiG-41 doesn't need to satisfy that requirement. Plus a Russian rocket engine would have loads more performance and better fuel consumption. At one time the Russians had a project for a liquid flyback booster rocket for the Energia.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
While I wouldn't put shoddy quality control over the Russians, ahem,
*Cough* Russian Space Program *Cough*
As to engine does that engine actually take off from the ground? Or was it launched off a rocket? And is it economically viable for a fighter?
No and no. What they have shown is missile engines that are rated to a high speed not in the class they want for the Mig41. Those are faster and lighter. They would need a new engine.
Rocket fighters were tried and fell out of favor because they are not as reliable as jets.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
at Mach 3 or 4 that's NOT a window to employ a weapon, if you slow down to track and launch, you have sacrificed the tremendous energy and speed that keep you safe,,, so I'm calling this a "fairy tale", lots of folks tell fairy tails in the defense world, particularly in regimes where there is little accountability back to the people...

Dictatorships weave their own little narratives, and theres no one who is honestly willing or able to hold them accountable....

so Bull! not gonna happen.....

so if you were going after a tanker or B-52, its do able, but after a B-2 or stealthy fighter, its just not going to happen.

Interesting, if there is ground command then the jet radar needed only for midcourse guidance and (maybe) for illumination for passive missiles.

Now, it means that the jet can launch missiles from 100 nm , and simply guide them with the data stream received from VHF/S-band radars.

In that case the high speed required to increase the range of the missiles, and launch them beyond the sensitivity range of the IR/UK passive sensors of the intruders.
The jet radar needed for guidance / data receiving only.

Which government you talk about ? USA/China or Russia as unaccountable?
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Dizasta1, what 100% proof do you have of John McCain's involvement in the politics of the Ukraine and the cause of the Russian invasion of the Crimea? Thank you.

I know that Sen McCain visited Ukraine several times...they named streets after him.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Dizasta1, what 100% proof do you have of John McCain's involvement in the politics of the Ukraine and the cause of the Russian invasion of the Crimea? Thank you.

I know that Sen McCain visited Ukraine several times...they named streets after him.

I saw McCain do a complete 180 degrees turn on his position versus the government which was overthrown. One day he was in the news saying the coup was an illegal and brutal action, then the next day or two he was saying it was the greatest democratic movement ever. I have heard claims that shooters were brought from Georgia (ex-USSR) to shoot at the protesters by the CIA. I don't know how accurate that is, for all I know it might have been an internally acted coup, but it certainly had support from external forces much like the previous "Orange Revolution". Except this time things went a lot more brutal. I think there is no way the Russians will allow Ukraine to join NATO. As they seem to be doing to press the issue.

I don't think it is even supposed to be possible for them to join NATO under the current rules either. Heck, if Ukraine joined NATO, I would want to leave NATO the second afterwards if I was a NATO member ruler and turn neutral. That would not be a defensive alliance anymore. Imagine if Cuba was in the Warsaw Pact and the Bay of Pigs incident happened way back when. The greatest wars in the past century happened precisely because of wars between grand coalitions. That's why the former USSR countries should have never been allowed into NATO. The war never happened because Cuba was just part of Comecon. Not the Warsaw Pact.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Direct US meddling in Ukraine is what lead to Crimea. John McCain was reported to have visited in Kiev, openly encouraging "regime change"
@Dizasta1 if a Russian member of the Duma showed up in Pakistan and called for conflict against India would he be to blame? Or would the decades long conflicts between India and Pakistan?

McCain was a powerful figure but only in the U.S. Senate.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine was not a sudden flare up it was the result of long standing issues inside the country and with Russia. The Ukranian national boundaries were drawn and redrawn absorbing parts of of nations and states over and over and it's self having been absorbed into Russia.

The roots of the Maidan was not some American politician it was issues on the ground laid By the changing winds and shifts in population. Impartial it was laid by the way the USSR broke up.
With eastern Ukraine very Russian and western more pro Europe.

What broke the nation was when a Eastern President pushed for a very pro Russian deal when the western part wanted Europe. Riots began and order broke down.

Crimea had been a long time issue. The Ukrainian constitutions has repeatedly stated no nation was to have military bases in the Ukraine but the Crimea base was still there.
When the Western population revolted against a Pro Russian program and Yanakovich a pro Russian President fled, The Russians decided that the security of the Crimea base was in jeopardy so they acted. They tried to cover it with claims of being a Crimea counter uprising but everyone knew these were Russian soldiers so they dropped the act. If Of course Crimea didn't care they were pro Russian.

The Russians Of course can't stand any pro NATO element in their boarder so they supported any groups willing to put up a fight and serve as a buffer zone even if that meant making said group.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
@Dizasta1 if a Russian member of the Duma showed up in Pakistan and called for conflict against India would he be to blame? Or would the decades long conflicts between India and Pakistan?

McCain was a powerful figure but only in the U.S. Senate.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine was not a sudden flare up it was the result of long standing issues inside the country and with Russia. The Ukranian national boundaries were drawn and redrawn absorbing parts of of nations and states over and over and it's self having been absorbed into Russia.

The roots of the Maidan was not some American politician it was issues on the ground laid By the changing winds and shifts in population. Impartial it was laid by the way the USSR broke up.
With eastern Ukraine very Russian and western more pro Europe.
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Ukraine politics (and maidan) controlled by a small groups of powerful oligarch.
McCain was only the ambassador of the psychopathic foreign policy establishment of USA.


They preferred more McCain offer over Putin offer, and they decide that they can steal more under the protection of USA.

They financed/organised Maidan.

The Ukrainians are extremely nationalistic, they need reason why the country failed so badly after the CCCP.

Russia inherited all CCCP debt, Ukraine was debt free at 90, had high tech industries, educated workforce. They had everything to get more wealthy that Russia.

See where they are now. And it is due to the psychopath oligarchs .

McCain made a deal with them.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
Dizasta1, what 100% proof do you have of John McCain's involvement in the politics of the Ukraine and the cause of the Russian invasion of the Crimea? Thank you.

I know that Sen McCain visited Ukraine several times...they named streets after him.

I'm not one to who points the blame like a blind, raving lunatic who thinks their argument is correct and the rest are wrong. My approach is to study the events from the lense of history, which by the way, is a very effective method of determining the trends, behavior patterns of global politics. Also, it helps that I have lived through the Cold War, on both ends of the spectrum. When America was on the verge of becoming a great noble power, to the Soviet Union's absurdly ridiculous existence, to the corruption of America as a great power, the collapse of the Soviet absurdity, the emergence of Russia, as history intended it to be and now when the American empire is on the cusp of decay and decline. I have had the privilege to be the student that studied this period and lived through it.

Below, is an article of your so-called "Western Mainstream Media," the honest, the noble ones who couldn't tell a lie even if their life depended on it (forgive the sarcasm, I couldn't help myself). I have quoted part of the article from the British Guardian newspaper. In it, he has specified how McCain openly supported the Far-Right group in a full blown, armed revolt against a democratically elected government of Ukraine. Now, please explain, what would you say if a Russian Parliamentarian visited Canada and supported a known Far-Right group that sought the independence of Quebec? Wouldn't many Americans and Canadians be furious and ask what business does a Russian Parliamentarian has in Montreal?

No country has any right to meddle in any other country's internal affairs. It doesn't matter if you're as tiny as the state of Liechtenstein or a super power like America. Because if you did that, then it would lead a global state of affairs, which would be a hundred times worse than the Cold War. Countries would ban travel, ban trade and lines would be drawn to an extent that there would be two worlds on this planet. And America has a nasty record of meddling in other countries' internal affairs. Economic Hitmen that destroyed Central & South America. If you don't believe me, then go read The Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins.


The threat of war in Ukraine is growing. As the unelected government in Kiev declares itself unable to control the rebellion in the country's east, John Kerry
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. The US and the European Union step up sanctions against the Kremlin, accusing it of destabilising Ukraine. The White House is reported to be set on
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with the aim of turning Russia into a "pariah state".

That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern
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now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

"America is with you,"
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then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of
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as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.


When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an
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, politicians such as William Hague
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about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

Putin bit back, taking a leaf out of the US street-protest playbook – even though, as in Kiev, the protests that spread from Crimea to eastern Ukraine evidently have mass support. But what had been a glorious cry for freedom in Kiev became infiltration and insatiable aggression in Sevastopol and Luhansk.

After Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, the bulk of the western media abandoned any hint of even-handed coverage. So Putin is now routinely compared to Hitler, while the
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and
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has been airbrushed out of most reporting as Putinist propaganda.

So you don't hear much about the Ukrainian government's
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and pogromists, or the arson attacks on the homes and offices of elected communist leaders, or the integration of
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into the national guard, while the
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of the government's ultra-nationalists is assiduously played down, and false identifications of Russian special forces are relayed as fact.

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Lastly, when one conducts an analysis of any given situation, is to determine who stands to gain the most from desired outcome. In the matter of Ukraine, nothing were to be gained by Russia in starting a conflict in Ukraine. It had already secured a long lease on the Naval Base in Sevastopol. There was also the mutually beneficial arrangement of Ukraine supplying Russia with turbine engines for its navy requirements. Besides that, Ukraine stood to gain from Gas Pipeline transiting through its territory, to supply Europe. Ukriane got subsidized gas from Russia, due to its transit route privileges. So Russia stood to lose the most by aggravating matters with its neighbor, Ukraine.

Whereas America stands to benefit the most from a Ukrainian conflict, in which Ukriane is anti-Russia. A Ukraine government that comes to power, which is actively hostile toward Russia, would be default cancel the Sevastopol lease, effective immediately. Cutting off Russia's access to the Black Sea means, that Russia would be left with our a home port for its Black Sea fleet for a prolonged period of time. Which in other words means, Russia would have zero presence in the Black Sea. And that is where America stands to gain the most, as it would begin long lead deployment of its Aegis Destroyers. Who knows, perhaps even lease Sevastopol from a Pro-Western Ukrainian Government. Establishing an Aegis Ashore ADN.

In other words, America would have ABM Network sprawled throughout Eastern Europe, from Poland, to Romania, to Ukraine. An ABM Network which would ensure America is well defended far away from its territory, when the inevitable Nuclear War breaks out. Choking Russia out of an effective nuclear response and re-establishing American dominance over the world.

If that's not enough of a reason to that forced Russia to take back Crimea (the latter was part of Russian Empire, when the absurdity that is Soviet leadership, decided to incorporate it in the Ukrainian Socialist Republic) and ensure that it maintains a presence in the Black Sea, then one has to be blind and dumb not to see this as a legitimate reason. And if today Crimea wasn't reabsorbed into the Russian Federation, then Syria would've looked far worse than what Libya is today. And trust me when I say this, Libya is the breeding grounds for Wahhabi-Salafi terrorists.

And then I wonder, bewildered when people ask where do these terrorists come from. Whoever said that ignorance is bliss, is probably not human or from a different dimension of space and time.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Russia inherited all CCCP debt, Ukraine was debt free at 90, had high tech industries, educated workforce. They had everything to get more wealthy that Russia.
Not everything.
Just because you are debt free doesn't set a credit rating. They had top of the Line Russian tech but that was replete across the Caucasus. And who wanted that? When you could but it at rock bottom prices.

The most unique bits of Soviet tech were either practically stolen (Kuznetsov) or incomplete (Liaoning).
And with the end of the cold war the only buyers were getting rock bottom pricing or was Russia who needed below rock bottom.
The Ukrainian economy was attached at the hip to the Soviet and like the rest of the former Soviet states so to was there post Soviet. And as corrupt as the Late Soviet leadership was so to was the post Soviet and modern oligarchs in both the Russian and Ukraine.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
@Dizasta1 if a Russian member of the Duma showed up in Pakistan and called for conflict against India would he be to blame? Or would the decades long conflicts between India and Pakistan?

Forgive me, but how does Pakistan and India compare to Ukraine and Russia? Pakistan and India conflict stems from the British Empire, who hastily scuttled out of the region, after being battered and bruised from the Second World War. Kashmir and Hyderabad were taken by India, militarily. What would Russia possibly have to gain from suggesting that Pakistan go to war with India? As my memory serves me, India has been traditionally an ally of the Soviet Union and then the Russian Federation. Russia would have everything to lose by egging on Pakistan to go to war with India.

It's actually the opposite, both Pakistan and India are part of the SCO. Where both Russia and China have tried to bring Pakistan and India to establish peace between them. A peace between Pakistan and India benefits SCO, both countries, as well as Russia and China. So I am sorry to say, my dear friend, it's not an analogy I would suggest that you use, when arguing your point.

McCain was a powerful figure but only in the U.S. Senate.

McCain was not only a powerful senator, but far greater than that, he was the Chairman of the Armed Services Committee. That is no ordinary position of power, which stands at the intersection of US Military, the Military Industrial Complex and the US Foreign Policy. We all know what that really translates into, don't we!

The conflict between Russia and Ukraine was not a sudden flare up it was the result of long standing issues inside the country and with Russia. The Ukranian national boundaries were drawn and redrawn absorbing parts of of nations and states over and over and it's self having been absorbed into Russia.

Where is the evidence to support such a claim about Russia absorbing parts of Ukraine prior to the Maidan revolt?

The roots of the Maidan was not some American politician it was issues on the ground laid By the changing winds and shifts in population. Impartial it was laid by the way the USSR broke up. With eastern Ukraine very Russian and western more pro Europe.

Not so much, Transnistria, Moldova, Crimea all speak Russian and have close Russian cultural heritage. Differences in languages doesn't constitute of an open armed revolt. Nor is there any evidence to support that Russia was against any Pro-European sentiments in Western Ukraine. Russia has never had any issues with European Union, the dog in this fight is NATO.

What broke the nation was when a Eastern President pushed for a very pro Russian deal when the western part wanted Europe. Riots began and order broke down.

If he was an "Eastern President" as you claim him to be, then why is it that both East and West Ukraine gave him the majority vote and elected him to be President of Ukraine?

Crimea had been a long time issue. The Ukrainian constitutions has repeatedly stated no nation was to have military bases in the Ukraine but the Crimea base was still there.

Historical records clearly state Crimea being part of the Russian Empire, before the Bolshevik Revolution took place and the absurdity which is the Soviet Council decided to incorporate Crimea into the Ukrainian S.S.R.

The Russians Of course can't stand any pro NATO element in their boarder so they supported any groups willing to put up a fight and serve as a buffer zone even if that meant making said group.

Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't it the James Baker who made claims that NATO would not move an inch from their positions in Western Europe? Didn't Warren Christopher make similar claims? In fact, until Clinton came to power, no one uttered a word or intent of expanding NATO eastward.

20 years ago it wasn't conceivable to think that Poland would allow American ABMs on its soil. Now, not only are their American ABMs in Poland, moreover Poland is willing to pay for a permanent American military base on its soil. And please don't tell me that they're scared of the big Rusian bear, because that's preposterous. What possible benefit would come to Russia by invading Poland? When Russia gains hundreds of billions of dollars by supplying natural gas to Europe. It would be like Russia shooting itself in the foot.

The only one to benefit from a anti-Russia Ukraine is America, which could one day pretty soon establish a military base in that country itself.
 
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