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MiG-29 said:

T-50-4 made the first flight from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Zhukovsky



Moscow, January 17. Today the fourth flight model of the prospective 5th-generation fighter aircraft (PAK-FA T-50) came to the airport of the M.M.Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky near Moscow.

Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Thursday.

“It is a serious breakthrough! The plane flew 7,000 kilometers (4,350 miles), making two landings, in Abakan and Chelyabinsk, on the way to the Russian capital,”

The plane joined three other T-50 prototype models at the Zhukovsky airfield prior to state flight tests, which are scheduled to start in March 2013. The fifth prototype aircraft is being built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur factory in Siberia.

The Russian Defense Ministry is planning to finish the state flight tests of eight prototypes by 2015, so that they could go into standard production in 2016.

The T-50, which will be the core of Russia's future fighter fleet, is a fifth-generation multirole fighter aircraft featuring elements of ‘stealth’ technology, super-maneuverability, super-cruise capability (supersonic flight without use of afterburner), and an advanced avionics suite including an X-band active phased-array radar.

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Thanks for posting this.

So, they have four completed and a fifth building here in 2013. They are going to build three more and finish testing them by 2015? I think that date will slip. Seems to me, the eightth will not be completed until sometime in mid-late 2014, and to believe all testing will be done a few months later is pretty "iffy," to me.

Particularly contemplating going into full production so soon thereafter in 2015.

I can see them completing testing by 2017, and then going into a low rate of production for 2-4 years and then cutting loose on full production maybe in 2020. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I wonder how many they will build? The US was foolish IMHO to stop production of the F-22 at 187, particularly with this aircraft already flying when that decision was taken, and with the likes of the J-20 coming.

The US should restart the F-22 lines (with appropriate updates and upgrades) and build 300 more of them. I bet the Russians will build 400 of these if they can afford them. Same with the Chinese with their J-20 when it goes into production...probably in the same time frame.

Jeff Head said:

Thanks for posting this.

So, they have four completed and a fifth building here in 2013. They are going to build three more and finish testing them by 2015? I think that date will slip. Seems to me, the eightth will not be completed until sometime in mid-late 2014, and to believe all testing will be done a few months later is pretty "iffy," to me.

Particularly contemplating going into full production so soon thereafter in 2015.

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Well i do not think so, I think the Russians will go smoothly in their aircraft program for two reasons.

First the F-22 by 2017 will be two decades old as a prototype and 25 years as YF-22, with this i mean Russia is developing a fifth generation fighter whith more modern technology, which will make it easier to put into production.

Second the T-50 is a design with less emphazies in Stealth shaping than F-22, so it will use more RAM and nano technologies skin coverings.


By 2018 the F-35 will be in fulll production and the USA will have an advantage of at least 200 aircratft of the fifth generation over Russia.


By 2024 is very likely the USA will have 500 F-22 and F-35 while Russia 100 T-50s.

In the case of China, as long as they develop a 5th generation engine they will catch up.

If J-20 does not develop a F-119 type equivalent in the next 8 years, pretty much their Jet will not meet F-22 standards and will be a F-35 type jet.

If the Chinese do not develop their WS-13 by 2020, they will depend in Russian engines even for J-31.

Even if China get the engines the production of J-20s and J-31s is not going to be very large at the begining.


So in my opinion the F-22 and F-35 will remain with an edge by 2025 and by that time the USA will fly a 6th or 7th generation aircratf perhaps even a NATO program for a 6th or even 7th generation aircraft pooling the aircraft industries of Europe and the USA will allow the west to remain in the lead


Video of fourth T-50`s flight
The news person basicly says T-50 has flown 7000km and was piloted by Bogdan, basicly repeating what was said by Sukhoi and Ria Novostiin the previous news i posted[video=youtube;QTbFGWdklps]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbFGWdklps[/video]

MiG-29 said:

Well i do not think so, I think the Russians will go smoothly in their aircraft program for two reasons.

First the F-22 by 2017 will be two decades old as a prototype and 25 years as YF-22.

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Yes, the first flight was in 1997 and by 2017 that will be 20 years. But its service life actually began in 2005 and many of the aircraft were produced between that date and 2011 when production ceased.

So, in reality, it will have been in service but 12 years in 2017, with a number of aircraft only six years old at that point. Many year left on these aircraft.

MiG-29 said:

By 2018 the F-35 will be in fulll production and the USA will have an advantage of at least 200 aircratft of the fifth generation over Russia. By 2024 is very likely the USA will have 500 F-22 and F-35 while Russia 100 T-50s.

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Actually, with 187 F-22s and well over 60 F-35s right now, the US already has over a 250 aircraft edge at the present time. By 2018, when full productions starts for the F-35, it will be over 350 then and by 2024, the US will have about a 500 aircraft edge.

MiG-29 said:

In the case of China, as long as they develop a 5th generation engine they will catch up.

If J-20 does not develop a F-119 type equivalent in the next 8 years, pretty much their Jet will not meet F-22 standards and will be a F-35 type jet.

If the Chinese do not develop their WS-13 by 2020, they will depend in Russian engines even for J-31.

Even if China get the engines the production of J-20s and J-31s is not going to be very large at the begining.

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Agreed.

MiG-29 said:

So in my opinion the F-22 and F-35 will remain with an edge by 2025 and by that time the USA will fly a 6th or 7th generation aircratf perhaps even a NATO program for a 6th or even 7th generation aircraft pooling the aircraft industries of Europe and the USA will allow the west to remain in the lead
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Agreed again.

I expext in the mid 2020s the US will in fact be looking at preparing for production of a 6th generation aircraft, probably starting in the 2030 time frame. My bet is by then that the skunk works will have already produced a few that are flying already...in fact, there well could be four or five flying now.

In other news Brazil has become the first country to buy the new Russian Ka-62 helicopter

asif iqbal said:

In other news Brazil has become the first country to buy the new Russian Ka-62 helicopter

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Nice helos too. I know the Russian Navy will be getting them.

Looks liks an SH-60 front end with a Dauphin tail...a cross between the two. I like the enclosed tail rotor and the horizontal aileron/stabilizer moved forward like that with the vertcal fins.


I wonder of the French or others helped with the design?

No doubt the Russian helo production and helo aviation industry is having some good years

With domestic orders pouring in export orders are also pilling up, it is estimated that Ulan-Ude will be producing more than 300 helicopters in 2013

India and Afghanistan have helped with big orders of the Mi-17

Also Su-30SM are now being delivered

New arms began to arrive in numbers :

Recent news :

Now Russian have :

307 T-90
720 BMP-3
108 S-400 ! 5 units equiped the last at Novorossiysk ( in more S-300v4 in order for replace S-300V/VM/Sa-12/23 )
30 Pantsyr/SA-22, 5 units for close defence of S-400 !
27 Su-34/ 124 order, 21 to Voronej thefirst unit of combat
2 SU-30Sm equivalent of SU-30 MKi, very good/ 60 order
25 Yak-130/55 order
29 Ka-50/52
55 Mi-28
13 new Ansat
7 new Ka-60
1 SSBN Borei
1 FF Steregushuy
...

many T-90, heavy rocket launcher, attack helicopter are in Caucasus.

[video=youtube;CeYyLNjxkHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeYyLNjxkHk[/video]

Long video of T-50-4

FORBIN said:

New arms began to arrive in numbers :

Recent news :

Now Russian have :

307 T-90
720 BMP-3
108 S-400 ! 5 units equiped the last at Novorossiysk ( in more S-300v4 in order for replace S-300V/VM/Sa-12/23 )
30 Pantsyr/SA-22, 5 units for close defence of S-400 !
27 Su-34/ 124 order, 21 to Voronej thefirst unit of combat
2 SU-30Sm equivalent of SU-30 MKi, very good/ 60 order
25 Yak-130/55 order
29 Ka-50/52
55 Mi-28
13 new Ansat
7 new Ka-60
1 SSBN Borei
1 FF Steregushuy
...

many T-90, heavy rocket launcher, attack helicopter are in Caucasus.

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You forget 5 Su-35S

Yes ) 48 on order

In fact problem of post !

The final name of T-50 : Su-50 ?