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[kwaigonegin]

I ate this for lunch and dinner today! still got some left.. Don't tell my cardiologist!
It's a 14 oz Angus cheeseburger with fried egg, pineapple, onions, BLT jalepeno, with a GIANT side of cheese fries and banana pepper soaked in A1 sauce, ketchup and coleslaw!!!

All I needed was a milkshake and a stogie and I'm sure I would've violated more than a few sins in the good book.

I think I was one bite away from a self induce cardiac arrest

 

[broadsword]

The meat to bun ratio must be something like 80:20.

 

[vesicles]

Now Vesi, I worked for William Underwood Co. in Hannibal, MO. one semester, I was the "dumper" on the "Accent" line, you guessed it MSG, sold as a flavor enhancer, also a preservative, I never had so many migraines, One 50lbs sack after another, one day I dumped 40,000lbs of MSG in the hoppers of my three lines. So, MSG will trigger migraine, as will various light frequencies and allergens.

So, fact is lots of Chinese buffets here in Central Obamastan, I ate at the Panda Express in Carlinville, Obamastan yesterday, great food and great service, their food is prepared in smaller quantities and very fresh, I wasn't picking on Chinese restuarants, and yes lots of different restaurants still use MSG as it is a flavor enhancer. Nitrites are used in most "cured" meat products as well, bacon, hot dogs, ham, and did I say BACON, those are known triggers for migraine. So back to our brother, Sino Soldier, I wouldn't be surprised if you arer having ocular migraines, I would check this out with your. In the meantime, follow the advice of your brothers, I do hope you find a simple explaination, and I will continue to pray for you, I will also try to do a little research. brat

A lot of anything is bad for you. drinking too much water will kill you as well. As a matter of fact, a few people die of over-hydration at every major marathon. Too much water dilutes critical ion concentrations in your blood and cause your heart to stop and eventually massive multiple organ failure. So I am not surprised that you were getting migraine when dealing with so much of that stuff.

Additionally, your migraine might be triggered by the powder. The powder form of anything will trigger migraine. Your immune system might mistakenly consider the powder as some foreign invader, thus activating the immune response to fight the powder. In fact, the finer the powder, the more effective it is to trigger a migraine. This is called dust allergy.

And I am not saying MSG does not cause side effects at all. It is an amino acid and definitely has the potential to cause side effects and leads to allergy. But it is much much more seldom than you think. The MSG myth was actually started by a Harvard doctor in the 60's who happened to be a Chinese-American. He ate Chinese food and started feeling bad. He then wrote a paper about it, speculating that glutamate might be the cause of it. Everything in the paper was speculation because he never did any experiments to validate any of his theories. He's an MD after all, not trained to do any research and the paper was published in a clinical journal. Somehow, this paper caught the interest of the media and immediately caught fire. Without any proper research, it all of a sudden became a wide-spread myth. Although hundreds of scientists have done ton of work since then that disapproves this myth, none of the real science can actually beat the much-sexier pseudo-science myth. In fact, in neuroscience, glutamate receptors have been a hot topic and subject of many intensive investigations. No one, I mean absolutely no one, has found anything about glutamate causing the kind of neurological and cardiac effects associated with what is normal felt by people suffering from MSG syndrome.

Like I said, a 12-ounce steak contains much more MSG than a typical Chinese meal. So does turkey. That is an easily measurable fact. If you feel fine eating a steak, you are not allergic to MSG. what you had when working at William Underwood Co. was most likely dust allergy.

 

[Air Force Brat]

A lot of anything is bad for you. drinking too much water will kill you as well. As a matter of fact, a few people die of over-hydration at every major marathon. Too much water dilutes critical ion concentrations in your blood and cause your heart to stop and eventually massive multiple organ failure. So I am not surprised that you were getting migraine when dealing with so much of that stuff.

Additionally, your migraine might be triggered by the powder. The powder form of anything will trigger migraine. Your immune system might mistakenly consider the powder as some foreign invader, thus activating the immune response to fight the powder. In fact, the finer the powder, the more effective it is to trigger a migraine. This is called dust allergy.

And I am not saying MSG does not cause side effects at all. It is an amino acid and definitely has the potential to cause side effects and leads to allergy. But it is much much more seldom than you think. The MSG myth was actually started by a Harvard doctor in the 60's who happened to be a Chinese-American. He ate Chinese food and started feeling bad. He then wrote a paper about it, speculating that glutamate might be the cause of it. Everything in the paper was speculation because he never did any experiments to validate any of his theories. He's an MD after all, not trained to do any research and the paper was published in a clinical journal. Somehow, this paper caught the interest of the media and immediately caught fire. Without any proper research, it all of a sudden became a wide-spread myth. Although hundreds of scientists have done ton of work since then that disapproves this myth, none of the real science can actually beat the much-sexier pseudo-science myth. In fact, in neuroscience, glutamate receptors have been a hot topic and subject of many intensive investigations. No one, I mean absolutely no one, has found anything about glutamate causing the kind of neurological and cardiac effects associated with what is normal felt by people suffering from MSG syndrome.

Like I said, a 12-ounce steak contains much more MSG than a typical Chinese meal. So does turkey. That is an easily measurable fact. If you feel fine eating a steak, you are not allergic to MSG. what you had when working at William Underwood Co. was most likely dust allergy.

A couple of things chief, most steak is NOT loaded with MSG, if you go out to eat OK, so although most beef is grown with a steroid as a growth enhancer, we used Ralgro, which was injected subcutaneously in the ear, beef is not injected, loaded with MSG, it goes to butcher, butcher cuts the meat, packaged in the grocery, and placed in the meat case.... period. Now hamburger is ground and may include other ingredienst to make it appear fresher-more red- I think we used Tumeric and water, which we mixed in a large tub, prior to packaging and wrapping.

Now turkey lends itself to injection of MSG, etc in order to enhance its flavor or keep it moist????? Most Ham is also now water injected to up the weight, as is lots of bacon, Nasty! Makes for a mealy texture as opposed to a dry cure, both also use Nitrites which is also a known trigger, and yes if I eat ham, hot dogs, or bacon, several days in a row, I am more prone to experience. Your insistence that MSG is not a trigger is unsubstantiated, since there does seem to be an anecdotal connection, that is well studied and recognized, my friend who I took to the Chinese restaurant had been specifically told to avoid same, but I took him anyway, we kept our meal size moderate, and suffered no ill effects.

 

[vesicles]

A couple of things chief, most steak is NOT loaded with MSG, if you go out to eat OK, so although most beef is grown with a steroid as a growth enhancer, we used Ralgro, which was injected subcutaneously in the ear, beef is not injected, loaded with MSG, it goes to butcher, butcher cuts the meat, packaged in the grocery, and placed in the meat case.... period. Now hamburger is ground and may include other ingredienst to make it appear fresher-more red- I think we used Tumeric and water, which we mixed in a large tub, prior to packaging and wrapping.

Now turkey lends itself to injection of MSG, etc in order to enhance its flavor or keep it moist????? Most Ham is also now water injected to up the weight, as is lots of bacon, Nasty! Makes for a mealy texture as opposed to a dry cure, both also use Nitrites which is also a known trigger, and yes if I eat ham, hot dogs, or bacon, several days in a row, I am more prone to experience. Your insistence that MSG is not a trigger is unsubstantiated, since there does seem to be an anecdotal connection, that is well studied and recognized, my friend who I took to the Chinese restaurant had been specifically told to avoid same, but I took him anyway, we kept our meal size moderate, and suffered no ill effects.

I am NOT talking about additives!

MSG stands for monosodium glutamate. It is an amino acid that occurs naturally in any living being, such as animals, plants, bugs, etc. We needs it to survive and to function. Without it, we would not have enzymes and proteins. On planet earth, we have only 20 essential amino acids, and glutamate is one of them. Any living organism need and must have all 20 amino acids to build their essential enzymes and proteins. Without even one of them, it means no enzymes and no proteins can be built. No one can make something without any resources. And glutamate happens to be one of the 20 absolutely essential building blocks for life. It has been estimated that a typical protein, any protein, found in human body contains an estimated 20-30% glutamate. That means, without it, no protein can be built. Then life as we speak is no more. A single amino acid mutation in a protein that contains 600 amino acids is enough to completely change the behavior of the protein. Think about what would happen of 20-30% of its amino acids is gone...

So, any of the meat we eat also contain MSG naturally, huge amount of it. Why? without it, no life can exist. So when you eat food, you eat MSG. Plain and simply. No plant, no animal, no bug and no human can survive without it.

It's not about additives. Not about someone injecting some awful stuff into our food. It's about what naturally exists in the meat and vegetables. In fact, our body contains huge amount of MSG as well. That is why the whole MSG syndrome is such a ridiculous myth.

The MSG syndrome is all in your head, so to speak. People have done experiments with volunteers. Here is the set-up. They got a Chinese restaurant to cook 2 sets of identical dishes, one set with MSG and the other without. Then they invited volunteers to eat and dishes without telling them which dishes had MSG and which didn't. Then they would fill out form to report anything they felt. A typical double-blinded test. It turned out same amount of people reported illness from both groups. So People who did not eat MSG also felt the same illness as the people who actually had MSG. It clearly shows that, well, it's all in your head...

what happened to your buddy is actually a clear case showing that he is not allergic to MSG. The most likely cause of his problem is over-eating. And his doctor might have simply told him what he liked to hear. Since it's much easier to say "just don't eat Chinese food if you feel ill" than to convince him that all he has felt was non-existent. If he is truly allergic to MSG, then he can't eat any food what-so-ever since all living things have MSG.

 

[solarz]

I am NOT talking about additives!

Still, there's a difference between naturally occurring MSG and added MSG to food.

 

[vesicles]

Still, there's a difference between naturally occurring MSG and added MSG to food.

What is the difference? glutamate is glutamate, no matter where it comes from. You can't mutate amino acids... MSG is not manufactured, but extracted from chicken stock or fish/shrimp stock. Sodium is simply there to keep the compound in a solid form. Once dissolved in water, dishes, our blood, etc, sodium will separate from glutamate and sodium is soidum and glutamate is glutamate. The same essential building block of life.

BTW, umami, one the five basic tastes works through glutamate receptors, which means it comes from glutamate or MSG. So whenever you taste something yummy, that's MSG you are tasting, either additives or naturally existing in the food.

A quick search on the web:
foods that contain high levels of L-glutamate:fish, shellfish, cured meats, mushrooms, vegetables (e.g., ripe tomatoes, Chinese cabbage, spinach, celery, etc.) or green tea, and fermented and aged products (e.g., cheeses, shrimp pastes, soy sauce, etc.). So if you are allergic to MSG, you should be allergic to all of these, at the very least.

 

[solarz]

What is the difference? glutamate is glutamate, no matter where it comes from. You can't mutate amino acids... MSG is not manufactured, but extracted from chicken stock or fish/shrimp stock. Sodium is simply there to keep the compound in a solid form. Once dissolved in water, dishes, our blood, etc, sodium will separate from glutamate and sodium is soidum and glutamate is glutamate. The same essential building block of life.

I would guess the difference lies in how the MSG gets broken down and absorbed into the body.

For example, you would think calcium is calcium, right? However, there's a huge difference between calcium supplements and calcium from diet, and you can guess which one is healthier.

 

[vesicles]

I would guess the difference lies in how the MSG gets broken down and absorbed into the body.

For example, you would think calcium is calcium, right? However, there's a huge difference between calcium supplements and calcium from diet, and you can guess which one is healthier.

It's the same. The calcium in your diet is exactly the same as the calcium in supplements. The problem is the amount. They always say you should take everything in moderation. This is exactly why. In your supplements, you take high quantity of it while in diet, you would have to consume a huge amount of food (like tens of pounds of stuff) to get that much calcium. that is why we are always cautioned against taking supplements too much.

And MSG won't get broken because it is already a single amino acid. No mechanism in our body can break down a single amino acid. It is the most fundamental unit in biology. It is water-soluble and it gets absorbed the same way natural glutamate gets absorbed. BTW, the glutamate in MSG IS natural. It is extracted from chicken stock.

 

[solarz]

It's the same. The calcium in your diet is exactly the same as the calcium in supplements. The problem is the amount. They always say you should take everything in moderation. This is exactly why. In your supplements, you take high quantity of it while in diet, you would have to consume a huge amount of food (like tens of pounds of stuff) to get that much calcium. that is why we are always cautioned against taking supplements too much.

And MSG won't get broken because it is already a single amino acid. No mechanism in our body can break down a single amino acid. It is the most fundamental unit in biology. It is water-soluble and it gets absorbed the same way natural glutamate gets absorbed. BTW, the glutamate in MSG IS natural. It is extracted from chicken stock.

That's my point. Calcium in diet comes in a form that's loaded with other nutrients and is ensured that you most likely won't get too much of it. Calcium from supplements come in little pills that get directly absorbed and it's very easy to make dosage mistakes.

Same thing for MSG. I'm not talking about breaking down MSG, I'm talking about breaking down that steak which contains the glutamate. First, the sodium in MSG is already a strike against it in our society of sodium-saturated foods. Second, although glutamate is an essential amino acid, nobody *needs* MSG to maintain good health. Therefore, any additional MSG added to dishes is unlikely to be absorbed in moderation.

For example, if you eat a steak, you're getting a ton of vitamins in addition to your glutamates. If, on the other hand, you put MSG in your soup, you're getting a bunch of glutamates where it shouldn't be. And since it's only soup, chances are you'll want to eat a steak afterwards too. Now you're getting more glutamates than you likely should be.