QBZ-191 service rifle family
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I think the bottom two are modifications of the same design. The upper one I think was dropped as the PLA adopted caseless 35mm for infantry.
MwRYum
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The 1st one have no lethal munitions designed for it;
The 2nd seems to be a prototype and proceed no further;
The 3rd one came out along with QBZ-95-1, have lethal munitions and two versions to suit QBZ-95 and QBZ-95-1.
Do consider the 1st and 3rd are standard, though the current standard across the board is the 3rd one.
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Wow, the guy on the bottom right looks like he actually put one of those red dots on the top (and all of the 191s seem to have a suppressor and top mounted torch and forward grip as well).
The red dot really does look a bit too elevated there. I really am at a bit of a loss why the PLA simply doesn't place a mass order of Holosun/Huanic ones instead.
From some of the other photos, the bulkiness implies that this is a "true" holographic sight vs. Reflex type sight.
I am not an expert in this field, but as I understand, the true holographic sight requires a more complex prism to build the reticle pattern vs. simply reflecting it.
Also, if these are special forces guys, EOTech/holographic sight is supposed to be usable even if the glass is partially damaged, but a regular red dot cannot, so maybe that is also why they are using it?
I agree. Assuming that sight is a holographic one, the reason for their choice is most likely the durability aspect. While red dots are cheaper and can last longer, in regards to battery life, than holographic sights, holographic sights can function even if the glass is broken. Since 2001 (I think), USSOCOM operators have used holographic sights, and they continue to do so to this day. Plus, durability is always one of the military's main concerns.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
In dot vs Hologram, a well made dot will be bomb proof. A poorly made holographic generally doesn’t exist as the type requires more engineering. This is why they end up being more expensive with fewer makers.
I mean a dot is an LED reflection off the objective lense. A Holographic sight is a laser projecting via three sets of mirrors.
So yeah shoot out the objective lens on a dot and it’s out of action but if it’s just cracked or spider webbed it’s not out of action.
Yet it’s not as simple because there are advantages and detractions on both sides.
Today dots come in smaller and smaller sizes than a holographic type could be made. Not that’s not to say that holographic types are monsters but generally the choice of battery will decide the size of holographic. A small holographic type will match the size of a mid sized dot but a micro dot will easily fit on the top of a concealed carry pistol well a holographic type just doesn’t fit smaller than a full-size Submachine pistol.
battery life is a question of build and battery. Most dots can last for a long time where a holographic has a shorter life span.
Finally is a question of magnification. Red dots are generally a 4moa projection but can go as small as 2 Moa. Holographic will go to 1moa. When you magnify with a 3x magnifier module which is typically used in military circles. The 2 moa scales up to 6 the 4 to 12. So identifying a target gets difficult. A Holographic type will remain the same because of the limitations of the human eye.
I mean a dot is an LED reflection off the objective lense. A Holographic sight is a laser projecting via three sets of mirrors.
So yeah shoot out the objective lens on a dot and it’s out of action but if it’s just cracked or spider webbed it’s not out of action.
Yet it’s not as simple because there are advantages and detractions on both sides.
Today dots come in smaller and smaller sizes than a holographic type could be made. Not that’s not to say that holographic types are monsters but generally the choice of battery will decide the size of holographic. A small holographic type will match the size of a mid sized dot but a micro dot will easily fit on the top of a concealed carry pistol well a holographic type just doesn’t fit smaller than a full-size Submachine pistol.
battery life is a question of build and battery. Most dots can last for a long time where a holographic has a shorter life span.
Finally is a question of magnification. Red dots are generally a 4moa projection but can go as small as 2 Moa. Holographic will go to 1moa. When you magnify with a 3x magnifier module which is typically used in military circles. The 2 moa scales up to 6 the 4 to 12. So identifying a target gets difficult. A Holographic type will remain the same because of the limitations of the human eye.
I am not sure they didn’t. I mean the holographic sight we have seen doesn’t look like Eotech, Vortex or Bushnell holographic sights. I mean it resembles to a degree but the adjustment nob and details don’t fit. As such I suspect that the PLA probably had to have them bespoke designed and developed to their requirements. I imagine that Huanic is probably the prime candidate for such a task.
MOA is already an angle so magnifier wouldn't change the MOA. If the dot covers 10cm at 100m without magnifier it will cover the same with.