QBZ-191 service rifle family

Blitzo

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Isn't it obvious it is better to be equipped with optics, and the more advanced, the better?

People on the last page or so have been asking the wrong question.

Instead, we should be asking:
"Is it better to continue using old rifles and wait for new rifles and new optics only when the new optics are ready, or is it better to replace the old rifles with new rifles and keep using the new rifles while waiting for the new optics to arrive?"


Because no one is disputing that optics are good for rifles.
Instead, what is being discussed is whether having new rifles without optics is better than not using new rifles (which are already ready for use) because you want to only start using new rifles with the new optics.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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People on the last page or so have been asking the wrong question.

Instead, we should be asking:
"Is it better to continue using old rifles and wait for new rifles and new optics only when the new optics are ready, or is it better to replace the old rifles with new rifles and keep using the new rifles while waiting for the new optics to arrive?"


Because no one is disputing that optics are good for rifles.
Instead, what is being discussed is whether having new rifles without optics is better than not using new rifles (which are already ready for use) because you want to only start using new rifles with the new optics.
My answer is that based on the fact the two rifles in this case are using the same caliber they are going to have similar performance in terminal ballistics. So it comes down to ergonomics, QBZ95 vs QBZ191 is not an argument that ends up being a sure fire winner. Accessories for the QBZ191 push it past the line. It’s the same for AK12. The Russian army doesn’t need it vs AK74M what pushes it as a need is Ratnik and the future digital system accessories.

New Rifle marginal improvement vs old rifle if no optics.
New Rifle with optics (even if it’s just a Holosun with magnifier) Superior to old rifle.
Soundwave Superior…
 

Blitzo

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My answer is that based on the fact the two rifles in this case are using the same caliber they are going to have similar performance in terminal ballistics. So it comes down to ergonomics, QBZ95 vs QBZ191 is not an argument that ends up being a sure fire winner. Accessories for the QBZ191 push it past the line. It’s the same for AK12. The Russian army doesn’t need it vs AK74M what pushes it as a need is Ratnik and the future digital system accessories.

New Rifle marginal improvement vs old rifle if no optics.
New Rifle with optics (even if it’s just a Holosun with magnifier) Superior to old rifle.
Soundwave Superior…

The question I outlined was largely rhetorical.

Though, I would say that given the fact that (in the case of 191 versus 95) the PLA will be changing over to Type 191 wholesale anyway as its new service rifle, there is really no reason not to change over to 191 first if the rifle deliveries are ready, even if the optics deliveries have yet to arrive.

At least they can get their hands on the new rifle sooner and start learning how to operate and maintain it, all for a weapon that is at minimum non-inferior to 95 in performance.
 

ohan_qwe

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You phrase that like it’s unique to the PLA. Every conventional army does that if it has the opportunity.
But is the mass optics driven by conventional needs or because of fighting insurgents? Also some countries rightfully expects Armor superiority like China or Soviet. If you are e.g. Ukraine you should plan for not having Armor support instead.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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But is the mass optics driven by conventional needs or because of fighting insurgents?
The trend began in the tail end of the Cold War. It was accelerated by but not caused by asymmetrical conflicts. The Susat and ACOG were first tested and developed in the era when NATO was expected to be shooting at the advancing red army. What actually being in a fight asymmetrically did was flag infantry as a more important aspect for modernization. The shift to the electric era that has happened post 2000 farther made such more available.
Also some countries rightfully expects Armor superiority like China or Soviet. If you are e.g. Ukraine you should plan for not having Armor support instead.
As proven the Soviet forces/Russian armor support wasn’t the great machine they would have wanted it to be. Afghanistan and Chechen conflicts proved that.
The conflicts in the model East have proven that without proper training tactics and a strong mutual understanding of combined arms. Armored superiority is vulnerable. Hell that should have been a lesson from the first tank battles of WW1.
additionally Ukraine does have armor. Many of the same as or very similar to those of the Russian Army.
However as a definite rule, he whom sees first, acts first and decisively wins.
In infantry fight yes. But China may use the AFV/Artillery for everything beyond 300m.
Any commander worth the position if they know of a target will engage that target with the most expedient means at their disposable. That may be tanks or Artillery or air strikes or long range missiles. That is not unique to the hand full of primer armies.
example the drone strikes made by Azerbaijani forces against Armenian forces proved decisive in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
 

Saru

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Another video of the QBZ191 not exactly new but it is a prolonged version of it with tedious censoring as usual.

Which is why I have refrained from myself posting as one and the other is no different from eachother other than their editing approach.

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Aniah

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Another video of the QBZ191 not exactly new but it is a prolonged version of it with tedious censoring as usual.

Which is why I have refrained from myself posting as one and the other is no different from eachother other than their editing approach.

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Thanks, Saru. I've got the video uploaded here. It's will finish processing soon.

 
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