QBZ-191 service rifle family

Back to the topic. I remember that the first photos that showed how the inner parts of the collapsible stocks had holes, where of training models, presumably to save weight. Pictures with real guns either had the stock collapsed, or the stock is expanded but the picture doesn't show the upper part. There where images that actually had the upper part of the collapsible stock visible, but were too blurry to make something.

These images seem to show that the stock of the real models is solid, not having any holes. It would be more similar to the American M4a1.

Boneroyalx said:

Back to the topic. I remember that the first photos that showed how the inner parts of the collapsible stocks had holes, where of training models, presumably to save weight. Pictures with real guns either had the stock collapsed, or the stock is expanded but the picture doesn't show the upper part. There where images that actually had the upper part of the collapsible stock visible, but were too blurry to make something.

These images seem to show that the stock of the real models is solid, not having any holes. It would be more similar to the American M4a1.

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Good point, I'm wondering if it's the same as the new clothing where these are the new "final" model after some feedback. Just rummaging through some old images and seeing the same holes.

Boneroyalx said:

Back to the topic. I remember that the first photos that showed how the inner parts of the collapsible stocks had holes, where of training models, presumably to save weight. Pictures with real guns either had the stock collapsed, or the stock is expanded but the picture doesn't show the upper part. There where images that actually had the upper part of the collapsible stock visible, but were too blurry to make something.

These images seem to show that the stock of the real models is solid, not having any holes. It would be more similar to the American M4a1.

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I don't think the quality of the images are good enough to make that claim tbh.

We've also seen multiple pictures of good close up quality showing in service rifles with those indents present.
If I had to guess, I think those particular images are just too far and have the guns at an angle where it's not easy to visualize the indents -- but they are still present.

The indents in the stock for the adjustable mechanism should not be significant anyway... I doubt they are to save weight, but are for the adjustment mechanism.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

PLA spec ops did counterterrorism ops? Wasn’t that more of a PAP thing?

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If the terrorist cells involving cross borders mission into SCO members territory, then yes.

zxy_bc said:

If the terrorist cells involving cross borders mission into SCO members territory, then yes.

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For terrorist cells that's big enough that none of SCO member state can tackle alone?

You're not saying that there can be another Mumbai terror attack fiasco, right?

The most possible scenario I can think off would be either Pakistan or India, but India is the last place that China would be invited into.

MwRYum said:

For terrorist cells that's big enough that none of SCO member state can tackle alone?

You're not saying that there can be another Mumbai terror attack fiasco, right?

The most possible scenario I can think off would be either Pakistan or India, but India is the last place that China would be invited into.

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Tajikistan is much more likely, there is a Chinese base their and Chin has been supporting with equipment and lookout modernisation and training the Tajik's along the border with Afghanistan.

MwRYum said:

For terrorist cells that's big enough that none of SCO member state can tackle alone?

You're not saying that there can be another Mumbai terror attack fiasco, right?

The most possible scenario I can think off would be either Pakistan or India, but India is the last place that China would be invited into.

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I wouldn’t say “big enough”, more like “slippery enough”. (Terrorist cell remanent escaping into neighbouring countries from PAP strikes) Per SCO RATS agreement, PLA could be invited to do Joint Ops if necessary. (Tying up loose ends)

At one point after Mumbai incident, ere were definitely terrorist groups trying to imitate the Mumbai attack in China (mostly ETIM cells), bringing ARs and pistols along with them. Yet most of them were eliminated by the PAP and Xinjiang or Tibet PSD Special Reconnaissance Units (now absorbed into the PAP Xinjiang or Tibet Regiment Spec Ops)

Tbh, Mumbai attack was so devastating mostly due to how utterly miserable and poorly equipped + trained the Mumbai police were at the time. Mumbai, equivalent to Shanghai by its size in India, was not even close to the level of training, professionalism and equipment the Shanghai PSB had at the time.

TeaHSRn said:

Tajikistan is much more likely, there is a Chinese base their and Chin has been supporting with equipment and lookout modernisation and training the Tajik's along the border with Afghanistan.

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Cross-bordering is a common theme for terrorists operating in Central Asia and near China’s western borders.

A QBU191 in the wild.

Saru said:

A QBU191 in the wild.

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That's a strange sitting position to aim, unless he's spotting for the big gun (don't know the model name of that anti-material gun).