PLAN's Lack of sufficient helicopters...an issue?

IT looks like someone in PLAN have been reading this thread … They covered everything except ASW helicopters… Now they only need to buy some more Ka-27s and they solved all problems…

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if im not mistaken, the ka-29(if modifed slightly) is very much capable of performing the main roles of the ka-28. The ka-29 has a survalence radar aswell, and can carry dipping sonar.

Now is it just me or Russian defense minister seems to be little pisst off? Maybe they are not to happy with some Chinese projects based on Russian weapons?

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when your broke and have to sell other people your weapons for a living, you accept deals on their terms. russia can stop selling weapons, but i highly doubt they would do that. The defence minister is awfully ambitious. even bush couldnt convince the chinese to follow his demands, what makes him think he can?

MIGleader said:

if im not mistaken, the ka-29(if modifed slightly) is very much capable of performing the main roles of the ka-28. The ka-29 has a survalence radar aswell, and can carry dipping sonar.

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AFAIK Ka-29 has surveillance radar which gives ability to operate in both day and night operations ad in all weather conditions, but not capability to carry sonar, and is not able to perform roles of Ka27/28s… It is only capable in switching roles from attack versions to transports… I could be wrong so if you can give me some more data I would be grateful…

MIGleader said:

when your broke and have to sell other people your weapons for a living, you accept deals on their terms. russia can stop selling weapons, but i highly doubt they would do that. The defence minister is awfully ambitious. even bush couldnt convince the chinese to follow his demands, what makes him think he can?

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Now Russians are not as broke as they used to be, especially considering current oil, gas and copper prices… Plus they also have some other customers now, Russian Army currently have more money available for new equipment purchases… And maybe they believe that China still needs them as much as they need China… They certainly are not happy whit possible Chinas exports of equipment which they developed or helped to develop and whit potential lost of traditional customers…

I hate to sound smart but Ka-29 is rather limitedly produced naval-infantry attack helicopter derivate of standard VMF Ka-27 and its downgrated export model Ka-28. But unlike these two, Ka-29 carryes no radar and converting it BACK to an ASW chopper of which it was orginally modified is just plain stubid...It has, however provided usefull platform to AEW chopper called ka-31, featured (but recently grounded ) by India navy

Gollevainen said:

I hate to sound smart but Ka-29 is rather limitedly produced naval-infantry attack helicopter derivate of standard VMF Ka-27 and its downgrated export model Ka-28. But unlike these two, Ka-29 carryes no radar and converting it BACK to an ASW chopper of which it was orginally modified is just plain stubid...It has, however provided usefull platform to AEW chopper called ka-31, featured (but recently grounded ) by India navy

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Well I also do not think that Ka-29 can be converted to ASW version and I stated so in my post… As for radar I have found some sites that are saying that it has radar… It is probably not the same radar as ASW version but it is radar…

well what it says is pretty much worth of nothing. But if one wants to speculate of possiple radar, he must think of normal search and rescue/navigation radar, not anyway near the size of normal ASW choppers radars...

Gollevainen said:

well what it says is pretty much worth of nothing. But if one wants to speculate of possiple radar, he must think of normal search and rescue/navigation radar, not anyway near the size of normal ASW choppers radars...

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Article states that Ka-29 has radar… Since article did not provide explanation of radars type I did not wonted to totally dismiss possible use of Ka-29 in ASW role… I don’t like disregarding someone’s opinion if there is chance that he knows something that I dont know… That’s why I have asked Migleder to give me additional information if he has some…

The guy behind the site is called Venik and is just like us, a military enthusiast. The fact that he didn't provide us anything else to support his claim makes me belive that he have orginally confused the issue.

I hate to sound smart but Ka-29 is rather limitedly produced naval-infantry attack helicopter derivate of standard VMF Ka-27 and its downgrated export model Ka-28. But unlike these two, Ka-29 carryes no radar

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The ka-28 actually is superior to the ka-27. It has a friend-or-for ID system and a larger fuel capacity. The engines have more power in case one fails, something not present on the ka-27. Thr ka-28 also hase some other sensors not present on the ka-27.

Now Russians are not as broke as they used to be, especially considering current oil, gas and copper prices… Plus they also have some other customers now, Russian Army currently have more money available for new equipment purchases… And maybe they believe that China still needs them as much as they need China… They certainly are not happy whit possible Chinas exports of equipment which they developed or helped to develop and whit potential lost of traditional customers…

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Yes, the russians actually can aquire new combat aircraft now after a 10 year halt. But its still only 6 su-34s, not a large amount by any standards. China has been designing weapons off of russian ones since the 50s(or actually, reverse engineering them). Only now, when relations are better, does russia actually ask china to stop. a sing of weakness, i think.

also, i think the ka-29 does have radar, but its for missle targetting. ASW will have to wait.

looks like ka-29 will be used on those transports to assist amphibious operations.

ka-31 will be put on the carrier and DDGs to provide target information, guide AshMs, detect low flying planes and such.

Be-200 - ASW platform. it's going to replace SH-5 in plan. just a question, what would be the equivalent platform in USN?

As for Russian having more money? That's true, but you need to read their recent purchase. It's a joke. Let's put it this way, one order from the Chinese is bigger than 5 orders from themselves.

Yes, that is the be-200. What is strange is that the be-200 is not a military plane at all. It was designed to fight fires, and first by the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations.

The plane is capable of being configured for the ASW role though, and can has customer selected equipment. this must be the case.
If this model features sea-search radar, it must be the first military model, designed specifically for china.