PLAN's Lack of sufficient helicopters...an issue?

bd popeye · Jul 28, 2006

Obi Wan Russell said:
Capable as these Helos are they do remind me of an old saying about the differences between various nations design philosophies;
"if it's weird, it's British, if it's ugly, it's French, if it's weird AND ugly it's Russian, and if it was designed with no curves at all it's American!"

That's an old one... I have not heard that for at least 20 years.

I'm sure the PLAN side is very happy to see more of those Ka-28's.:china: A very capable Helo. I hope for the PLAN they dispurse them in a manner that will be useful to the PLAN. I have a question...Does anyone know how well the PLAN helo aircrews are trained in SAR missions? Or do they even conduct SAR missions?.....

adeptitus · Jul 28, 2006

Obi Wan Russell said:
Capable as these Helos are they do remind me of an old saying about the differences between various nations design philosophies;
"if it's weird, it's British, if it's ugly, it's French, if it's weird AND ugly it's Russian, and if it was designed with no curves at all it's American!"

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:rofl:

But seriously, the historical pattern for Chinese military purchase is to import limited numbers for evaluation, then either license produce it locally, or reverse enginner a copy. The Z-8/Z-9/Z-11 are examples of this pattern.

However, we've not seen the same with Ka-28's. Perhaps it's beacuse the numerical requirement is too small.

tphuang · Oct 31, 2006

news from the Zhuhai airshow, we knew about ka-31 already, not too suprised about ka-28 either

ZHUHAI. Oct 31 (Interfax-AVN) - Russia's state arms trader
Rosoboronexport has offered to supply China with Ka-28 all-weather anti-
submarine and anti-boat helicopters, and Ka-31 radar helicopters under a
Russian-Chinese intergovernmental agreement.
"Talks on Ka-28 and Ka-31 helicopters began in Beijing today under
a program for Russian-Chinese cooperation," leader of the
Rosoboronexport delegation and head of the export department Alexander
Mikheyev told Interfax-AVN at the Airshow-China 2006 aviation and space
show on Tuesday.
Mikheyev did not specify how many helicopters could be supplied to
China or when. "This is yet to be negotiated," he said.
For details, see the Interfax Military News Agency wire.

Sczepan · Nov 1, 2006

tphuang said:
news from the Zhuhai airshow, we knew about ka-31 already, not too suprised about ka-28 either

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Russia to exhibit modern aircraft at Chinese air show
18:00 | 30/ 10/ 2006

MOSCOW, October 30 (RIA Novosti) - Over 50 Russian defense companies will showcase a variety of modern aircraft and aerospace technologies at an international exhibition in southern China this week, the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation said Monday.....

"The Russian exposition focuses on the export modifications of helicopters - the Mi-28NE Night Hunter, the Ka-50 Hocum and the Ka-50-2 Erdogan attack helicopters, the Mi-17-1B Hip and Mi-171 transport helicopters, the Mi-26 Halo heavy transport helicopter, the Ka-29 Helix B shipborne combat transport helicopter, and the Ka-31 shipborne AEW helicopter," the service said in a statement.

The service also said that Russia will demonstrate a wide range of air defense systems, including the S-300 PMU2 Favorit, designed to intercept theatre ballistic missiles at a range of up to 1,000 km (650 miles), the Tor-M1, the Pechora-2M, the Tunguska-M1 gun/missile system, the Shilka mobile anti-aircraft gun, and the Igla (SA-16 Gimlet) portable air defense system. ...

tphuang · Nov 8, 2007

so, I just got a few new pictures of Ka-28 that we never counted for before.
They are of course 1174, 9333 and 9444.
I also have pictures for 9114 to 9184
Dongfeng put 9664, 9666, 9454 on sinodefence, I only have picture for 9664 among that.

I also have pictures for 9224, 9264, 9334, 9474
so we should have at least 18 ka-28, although I suspect far more, because 9333 and 9334 seems to indicate more in 933x, 9444, 9454 and 9474 indicates more of 94x4, 9224 and 9264 seem to indicate more 92x4, 1174 indicates more ka-28 starting with 1. I guess we can safely say that they have other 20 ka-28s, maybe even as many as 30.

tphuang · Oct 23, 2008

This is kind of interesting, an entire regiment of Z-9Cs (I've personally never seen that many of them together) waiting to load torpedoes. There also looks to be naval Z-8s in the back. Also, I think these are the A.244s that helicopters use, not the Yu-7s that the ships use. I think these two have been mixed together for too long. and if you have seen them, there are distinct differences between the two.

Ian_PD · Dec 12, 2008

Hello! Well. this is my first post here, and I have a question about the Z-9C ASW helicopter, Pakistan have recently acquired the mentioned helicopter for its Navy (the last year I think) but I didn't find a relatively complete information about that deal.

Did you have any details to respect?

And besides, the PLAN is satisfied with the performance of Z-9C as embarked helicopter?

I'm asking this because the Peruvian Navy is seeking a replacement for its veteran AB212ASW embarked in the Lupo class frigates and the Z-9C can be an affordable option to be considered.

Thanks and sorry for my bad english.

Greetings from Perú

tphuang · Dec 13, 2008

Ian_PD said:
Hello! Well. this is my first post here, and I have a question about the Z-9C ASW helicopter, Pakistan have recently acquired the mentioned helicopter for its Navy (the last year I think) but I didn't find a relatively complete information about that deal.

Did you have any details to respect?

And besides, the PLAN is satisfied with the performance of Z-9C as embarked helicopter?

I'm asking this because the Peruvian Navy is seeking a replacement for its veteran AB212ASW embarked in the Lupo class frigates and the Z-9C can be an affordable option to be considered.

Thanks and sorry for my bad english.

Greetings from Perú

well, it was part of the F-22P deal for a total of $750 million. I'm not sure how much was quoted for Z-9C exactly. As far as I know, PLAN is reasonably happy with the helicopter. It's cheap, domestic and small enough to be used on the smaller frigates.

Ian_PD · Jul 20, 2009

tphuang said:
well, it was part of the F-22P deal for a total of $750 million. I'm not sure how much was quoted for Z-9C exactly. As far as I know, PLAN is reasonably happy with the helicopter. It's cheap, domestic and small enough to be used on the smaller frigates.

Thanks for the answer! Cheap? Compared with which helicopter? We have (the Peruvian Naval Aviation) five AB.212 and 3 ASH-3D (and two Bell 206 for training purpouses) and we need to replace/complement the AB.212s, because its age and performance (but in that point is not so "bad" IMO).

I'll know than the PLAN have several Panthers purchased to Eurocopter, this aircraft remains operational? Could be possible to acquire this helicopter with a previous overhaul and refurbishment?

Greetings for Peru!

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