PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

tphuang

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

The ones here seems to shows shadows where the planes are. At first I thought about the possibility of being improved Han, but both fins are too squared for that type. One sub appears longer than the other as you can see from the relative position of the white marks to the sail. The white marks are warning labels over the passive flank sonars so tug boats don't bump into them. The last picture in Sanya seems to be one of the slightly longer ones too.

Why hull mounted planes? You can retract these and when they do, has less resistance in the water for more speed and less flow noise. Actually subs have been using hull mounted planes for a long while (note the Romeos, the Mings and the Kilos). But the reason for moving the planes to the sail is to save space, better controllability since the flow around the body won't interfere with the planes, and---especially for smaller submarines---the farther you mount the planes from the body, the less the flow noise will interfere with the flank sonars. But for nuclear subs the trend is reversing back to the hull mounted planes for the other mentioned reasons. Nuclear subs are big enough so you can put planes in the hull and still not interfere with the flank sonars. For diesel submarines, putting planes on the sail now is a must if you want to have flank sonars. As a note, it parallels what happened with the LA class submarines, where the earlier ones had sail mounted planes, and the later ones has hull mounted planes.

Another reason for moving the planes back to the hull is for ice breaking necessary for arctic exploration. Previously the issue was handled by angling the planes vertically so they point up, but ultimately better to eliminate them altogether from the sail. This is more an issue for US, British, and Russian subs especially with SSBMs planning to operate under the arctic ice cap. But who knows what the PLAN's future long term intentions are.

My speculation is that although the 094 still has sail mounted planes, the future trend with the PLAN nuclear subs is to move the planes to the hull, and the 093 with the hull mounted plane is a logical way to test or experiment with the idea. This may lead to future 093 variants to come and to the 093's own successors.

It's clearly a 093, the sail on 091 is sloped downward. This one is parallel. I checked the drainage with the other photos I had, looks matching. I find it hard to believe Xinhui thought it's 091.

Btw, the hull mounted plane model is 095 or a later variant of 093 imo.
 

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I would be very surprised if they would release a photo of Type 095 before any really substantial rumors about it come out. It appears to be a later variant of Type 093 then..... I wonder how many of this later variant there are.
 

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Mainland bloggers are now calling the mystery subs 091-III.

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2008年9月2日央视曝光中国海军两艘神秘的091核潜艇,引起各方广泛关注,老蜀与一些朋友探讨,颇有收获。汉级潜艇多年未在电视上露面了,突然现身东海舰队的海上演习,非同寻凡,大家对此有诸多疑问。

一是对潜艇型号,明显不是老091了,从外形上看,最可能是091改,姑且称为091-III型吧。

二是091改到底是旧汉改的还是借合093/094预研技术新建造的艇体?

三是如果是091改,那么这个多年神秘难测的091改到底改了多少,性能如何,与老汉比如何,与093相比又如何,至今是个谜!

下面老蜀就从一些蛛丝马迹如手,深度分析这个神秘的091-III:

目前我国的核潜艇主要是091以及092两种以及最新下水的093和094。093和094是近年下水的,性能优异自不用提。而历经三十多年的091与092性能,官方一直讳谟如深,极少提到。汉级中,第一二艘是汉I级,三四五艘是汉II级,最近经过改进以后的便称之为汉III级。但是091型汉级攻击核潜艇和 092夏级导弹核潜艇初期的潜航噪音,竟然高达160分贝和165分贝,经多年来的改进仍高达150和155分贝。当年美国的军事专家曾经挖苦道:“中国的核潜艇从广州出港,在越南的西贡都可以听到”。简直要气晕了,不是比开演唱会还热闹?

核潜艇不是一般的潜艇,价格以及维护费用都贵的死,而且危险性也很高,我国的汉级核潜艇就有2艘被污染了,目前只剩下了最后服役的3艘。在新的093还没大量服役以前,这些“老汉”门还得顶上一阵子,为我们的海军舰队撑一下腰。但是性能的强差人意着实让人感到苦恼,为此,我国的潜艇工程科技人员长期来为降低噪音作出了不懈的努力。

根据各方信息推测,中国至少有4艘汉改091-III,2艘在南海舰队,2艘在东海舰队。基于1996年3月我国在对台威慑演习中,出动核潜艇吓退美国两个航空母舰群(独立号和尼米兹号)进入台湾海峡的成功战例,海军决定在我国大陆沿岸最接近西太平洋的海军舟山基地部署核潜艇,以取得空间上的优势。 1998年4月东海舰队部署了两艘我国第一代091(北约称“汉级”)核攻击潜艇的改进型(可以潜射巡航导弹)405艇(长征5号)型和407艇(长征7 号)。

091-III改进背景

在今后一个较长时期内,我国海军的作战海区将主要是第一岛链和该岛链的外沿海区,以及岛链以内的黄海、东海和南海海区。这就是说,从地域上看,我军核潜艇执行任务的范围基本上不会超出第二岛链,这与冷战时期美苏核潜艇的作战地域相比,无论从往返距离还是海域特点来说都有很大区别。在此区域里,中国的近海完全可以交给常规潜艇,因为水深150米内的海域实在不是核潜艇的舞台。由此可见.噪音巨大091型核潜艇必须升级换代才能有效应对刷边海域反潜力量的挑战。而对09l型潜艇本身来说,从1974年下水到现在已经服役30多年,对其进行技术升级也属正常之举。其次是为093/094服役提供一个有力的核威慑过度,早期的091长期处于有艇无威的尴尬境地,迫切需要一个能实际威慑的新改下水支撑海军门面。

为了让091型汉级攻击核潜艇405彻底的脱胎换骨,我国的海军科研部门对其实施了庞大的改装计划,使091有了脱胎换骨的性能:

一.091-III动力系统

一种猜测091改可能以最新研制成功的热功率为195兆瓦的GW-3型高温气冷堆,替换原来的压水堆,但个人感觉不太可能。

091 服役30多年.反应堆等动力装置已经老化,对其进行更新换代是情理之中的事情,从2007国防成就展上展出的091改型核潜艇外形变化中可以看出些端倪。展出的潜艇模型比以往公开的091型核潜艇拉长了许多,这也间接证明了09l型曾经更换了动力装置。至于换装什么样的动力装置众说纷纭,比较有代表性的是以最新研制成功的新型高温气冷核反应堆替换原来的压水堆,这样热功率增加一倍多,减少了一个换热同路,体积基本不变。l996年6月,《人民日报》报道,中国自80年代中期启动的“863高科技计划”中被称为高温气冷核反应堆的课题己取得重大突破。1998年3月,《文汇报》报道,我国具有国际先进水平的第一代“高温气冷核反应堆”在某大学的协作下己经投入试运行,填补了国内空白,标志着我国在该学科的科研能力处于世界领先地位。这一高新技术成果己在2001年863计划15周年展览中展出,介绍文字中特意提及它主要用于军事,因此有人推测这一技术也运用到了091型核潜艇的改进工作中。但本人认为高温气冷核反应堆在我国的应用尚处于初期阶段,陆上试验堆的建设才刚刚起步.如果将其应用在服役阶段的091型核潜艇上,技术成熟度的缺失会使风险变大。因此,认为091更换新的改进型压水堆的可能性更大。


海外认为091改拆除减速机和辅助发电机系统,反应堆直接驱动一台6万千瓦的直流发电机。反应堆与发电机组合成一个整体,安装在一个“减震浮筏”上,与外部连接的所有管道,采用柔性减震连接。大大降低了动力系统的噪音,后来经测试,仅此项技术就降低了将近20分贝的噪音。反应堆-发电机系统发出的电流直接驱动推进电机,并可向大功率、高容量锂电池充电。

―一台4.5万千瓦的巨大的低速大扭矩直流电机,直接驱动一个七叶大弯角螺旋桨,预计可把最大潜航速度一下子提高到33节。在推进轴上串列了一台320千瓦的经济航速电机,单独推进时,潜航速度为11节。在国际上是继美国“海狼”后,第二型使用核-电推进方式的核潜艇。

――安装了6万公斤的大功率、高容量锂电池组,它甚至可以吸收反应堆-发电机系统的全部发电量,所以不管推进电机以多大功率运行(这是根据战术要求不断变化的,任何潜艇也不会一直全速潜航的),反应堆-发电机系统始终处于最佳工作状况运行,而稳定的运行还进一步降低了噪音。

――动力系统的绝招是,当6万公斤的大功率、高容量锂电池充满电能(54万千瓦•小时)后,可以关闭反应堆,以降低噪音。电池足以让潜艇全速潜航10小时,如果以经济航速潜航,更可以潜航几百小时。这是其他国家的核潜艇不敢做,也做不到的。

如果以上消息是真的,那说明091改动力绝对强悍而且安静无比,不会比093逊色多少!

二.潜艇专用电池

对于潜艇用大功率、高容量锂电池,老蜀查过,中国绝对世界先进水平。这方面军用超强,民用只是悄悄推广。大约在2002至2003年中华网军坛上就有人上过一张中国潜艇用大功率、高容量锂电池XXX型,后来删除了,现在还张图已经基本见不到了。这家公司成立于1998年,所研大功率、高容量锂电池拥有多项世界第一,除了供军用和民用外,国外许多公司都慕名前来订购。

这家公司的拳头产品是产品目录中尚未公开的XX牌潜水艇用XXXX电池系列,细分为八个品种。按常规潜艇安装三组,每组224枚计算,总能量为6272千瓦,可以驱动排水量2000吨的水滴型潜艇以3.5节时速潜行150小时,而峰值功率可使潜艇达到17节/小时,这将远超过目前最先进的AIP系统。这是艇用的,另外据介绍,配置了该公司高能量锂固体动力电池的电动大客车,每次充电只需20-40分钟,行驶里程可达400公里,从零公里加速到100公里只需19秒钟,最高时速120公里。经3万多公里性能检测,完全达到民用标准。此项技术已被确认为国家重大科技成果。国家科技部、国家国防军事检测机构对该电池实施了多项测试,所有指标全部合格。我国“863”计划锂动力电池研发中心已将纳入系统。至于核潜艇用电池,就更不用说了,绝对一流水平和质量。

这是国内锂电池水平,现在中国又研制成功大功率、高容量高铁电池。

高铁电池铁电池是以合成稳定的高铁酸盐(K2FeO4、BaFeO4等),可作为高铁电池的正极材料来制作能量密度大、体积小、重量轻、寿命长、无污染的新型化学电池。铁电池的优点:高能高容量。目前市场上的民用电池比功率只有60-135w/kg,而高铁电池可以达到1000w/kg以上,放电电流是普通电池的3- 10倍。特别适合需要大功率、大电流的场合。高铁电池性价比高。碱锰电池不能满足目前需大电流大容量用电的数码相机、摄影机等电子产品的需要,锂离子电池因成本在此方面不具很强的竞争力。 高铁电池放电曲线平坦。 如Zn-K2FeO4 , 70%以上的放电时间在1.2-1.5V。

三.091-III与配消声瓦

091 改从照片上看明显有了变化,换了衣裳,至于是刷了新油漆还是披了消声瓦,以前还有争论。其实,早年军坛上就有一张北海091披霜戴雪的照片上,消声瓦赫然在目,有瓦无瓦的争论就已经没有多大意义了。连039都用上瓦片了,何况国之重器。消声瓦的使用,再次使得汉级的隐形得到极大提高。

四.指挥控制与信息化水平

由于我军装备正向信息化方向发展,因此091改型核潜艇的信息化水平也应大幅提升,不仅自动化水平提高,信息共享能力、指挥控制能力均应得到大幅提高。从国外改进核潜艇自动化水平的经验来看,09l改型核潜艇的自动化改造首先应是指挥作战系统的改进,只有这样才能提升其作战效率与反应能力,并且提高与其他舰种之间的协同作战能力;其次是通信系统的改进,国外先进攻击型核潜艇上装备有信息网络系统,供舰员之间信息共享,并且提高指挥作战的透明度,该项技术已经广泛应用在我国先进的水面舰艇上,相信在09l型核潜艇的改进工作中也会应用这一技术。同时,091改有可能装备了我国自行研制的卫星导航系统,进一步提高其指挥控制能力。最后是自动化水平的提升,改进的重点是作战系统的自动化水平,包括装备自动鱼雷装填装置、战斗自动告警装置等,这些都有利于减少战斗定员,提高潜艇的自持力。

据称091改大幅度提高了自动化程度,战斗定员由75人降到了52人。 091改安装了教育网络,每位艇员配置一台便携机。这已经成了潜艇改造的固定项目。对潜航期很长的核潜艇意义更大哈。

五.武器系统

09l改型核潜艇的武器系统也应在升级范围之内。从2007年展出的模型外观来看,鱼雷发射管没有什么大的变化,还是上4下2的六具533毫米鱼雷管设计,但其中的鱼雷可能已经改变。我国在1974年装备09 l型核潜艇的鱼雷是“鱼”l型鱼雷,经过3 O多年的发展,我同现有的鱼雷技术已经跟世界同步,因此升级鱼雷应该顺理成章。我军现役主力战舰和常规潜艇主要装备的是“鱼”3型重型鱼雷,因此应该能够判断出091改型核潜艇也装备了这种鱼雷。另外,我国更新一代“鱼”4乙型反舰鱼雷、“鱼” 5型反舰/反潜鱼雷也已装备部队使用,091改型可能已经装备了这种更加先进的鱼雷。据外界报道,“鱼”5鱼雷研制于8 0年代中期,使用“奥托II”燃料,具有低噪声、无航迹的优点。鱼一5最大航速50节,35节航速时航程45千米,最大潜深500米,制导方式为线导+主/被动联合声自导,声自导系统采用数字式计算机控制。

原来的091型核潜艇带有反舰导弹,据国外媒体称是c一801。升级后的091改型核潜艇上,反舰导弹也会升级,晟大可能性是c-803,因为该导弹已成为我国舰艇的主力反舰导弹。091改型核潜艇也可能装备了潜射巡航导弹,等待消息确认。

海外公布的试验纪录

改装试验是在405上进行的,据称在250米水下的405艇(并未达到300米的最大潜深)不断提高速度,很快就超过了原来的25节最高速度,以前在这个速度时驱逐舰测出的噪音达到155分贝的声级,而现在仪器上显示的仅是115分贝都不到。反潜直升机的声纳兵报告了噪音是115分贝。一下子就超过了美国人的洛杉矶攻击核潜艇的120分贝,达到了俄国最新型的阿库拉级核潜艇的水平

在25节的中速下,关闭了反应堆,实测值是100分贝以下。当关闭主电机,仅以经济航速电机推进,速度降到11节时,声纳屏幕上几乎找不到它的踪迹。测定的噪音直逼95分贝,已达到与美国最新型的海狼级攻击核潜艇相近的95分贝的水平,按照道理来说,这已经接近海洋的背景噪音了,当海面风浪略大些,驱逐舰、猎潜艇和反潜直升机的海面或浅层拖曳式声纳是无法探测到它的。只有深潜海底的潜艇才有可能探测到它。

091改到底是旧汉改的还是借合093预研技术新建造呢?从上面分析可以看出,首艇为 405改装,以后的应该为新造,借用了一些093/094的预研技术。并且,在2007年国防成京展上091改的照片明明白白标注为“新型核潜艇”,结合脱胎换骨的改造,说091改为“新型”确实不为过。所以091改是绝对值得一看的,用惊鸿一剑震乾坤来说,毫不夸张。

经过30多年的发展后,我国在攻击型核潜艇的技术上已经取得了突飞猛进的进展,并且有许多原创性的科技成果应用于其中,我国海军的作战能力已据此大大提高。

这正是:明非明,宋非宋;汉已改,夏出洞;商在前,晋已出。
 

crobato

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

September 2, 2008 CCTV exposure of the Chinese Navy two mysterious 091 nuclear submarines, the parties caused widespread concern, with some old friends of Sichuan, rather harvest. Han-class submarines for many years did not appear on television, suddenly coming out of the East China Sea Fleet naval exercise, the extraordinary search where we have a lot of questions.

First, the submarine model, which is obviously not the old 091, from the appearance, the most likely to 091, mention known as the 091 - III-type bar.

Second, in the end to the old 091-or by a change of 093/094 preliminary research the construction of the new technology Tingti »

Third, if the change is 091, then that's 091 years of mysterious unpredictable change in the end to the number, how performance, and the law ham than how, with 093 compared to what so far is a mystery!

Below Shu-old from some clues such as hand, in-depth analysis of the mysterious 091 - III:

At present, China's nuclear submarines is 091 and 092 and both the 093 and launched the latest 094.093 and the 094 is launched in recent years, not to mention the outstanding performance. After more than 30 years and the 091 and 092 properties, such as Jammu Hui official has been deep, rarely mentioned. Han-class, the vessel is 120-Level I, II-345 is level, the recent improved after the then-called Category III. But 091 of the Han-class attack submarine and 092 Xia-class nuclear submarines submerged early noise, is as high as 160 db and 165 decibels, the years of improvement is still as high as 150 and 155 db. That the U.S. military experts have sarcastically: "China's nuclear submarines from the Guangzhou port in Vietnam's Saigon can be heard." It should be a halo gas, not a concert than is also busy »

Nuclear submarines is not an ordinary submarine, price and maintenance costs are high the death, but also high risk, China's Han-class nuclear submarines have two polluted, the only service of the last three. In the new 093 service not a lot before, these "law ham" the door must hand for a while, for our naval fleet hold the waist. But far from satisfactory performance of the people are truly distressed, to that end, China's submarine engineering scientific and technical personnel for a long time to reduce the noise made unremitting efforts.

According to all information speculated that the Chinese at least four-to 091 - III, 2艘in the South China Sea Fleet, two in the East China Sea Fleet. Based on March 1996 in Taiwan of China's deterrence exercise, the nuclear submarine deterrent to the United States dispatched two aircraft carrier groups (independent, and the USS Nimitz) into the successful examples of the Taiwan Strait, the Navy decided to mainland China's western Pacific coast closest to the Navy Zhoushan base for the deployment of nuclear submarines, in order to get space on the edge. April 1998 the East China Sea Fleet has deployed two of China's first generation of 091 (NATO said the "Han-class") Improved nuclear attack submarines (submarine-launched cruise missiles can) 405 boats (long march 5)-and 407 boats (long march 7 ).

091-III improve background

In the future a longer period of time, our navy's operational area will mainly be a chain of islands in the chain of islands and the coastal areas, and within the chain of islands in the Yellow Sea, East China Sea and South China Sea area. This means that from the area, the mission of our military nuclear submarines basically do not exceed the scope of the second island chain, which during the Cold War US-Soviet nuclear submarines and the combat area compared to, from or distance from the sea, have characteristics Great distinction. In this region, China's coastal waters can be fully handed over to conventional submarines, because the depth of 150 meters within the waters of the stage is not nuclear-powered submarines. Evidently. Noise huge 091 submarines to upgrade to effectively deal with brush-sea anti-submarine force challenges. 09 l and the submarine itself, was launched from 1974 to now been more than 30 years service, upgrade their technology was not unusual at all. This was followed by the 093/094 service to provide a powerful nuclear deterrent over the early 091 boats have no long-term in the embarrassing position of Granville, an urgent need for a real deterrent to the new naval support to the water front.

To enable 091-405-class attack submarine thorough completely, the Navy's research department of China's implementation of its massive conversion plan, 091 have completely performance:

1. 091-III power system

091 to be a guess as to the successful development of the thermal power of 195 megawatts of GW-3-HTGR, the pressurized water reactors to replace the original, but individuals feel less likely.

091 service for more than 30 years. Reactor power plant has been aging, its replacement is the sense of things, from the 2007 Defense Exhibition on display at the 091 nuclear submarines modified shape changes can be seen in some clues. The submarine models on display than in the past 091 submarines open a lot longer, it also indirectly proved that once the replacement of 09 l of the power plant. As for what kind of installed power plant opinion, is more representative of the latest successful development of new high-temperature gas-cooled nuclear reactors to replace the original pressurized water reactors, such thermal power more than doubled, to reduce a heat exchanger Tonglu, volume Basically unchanged. l996 in June, the "People's Daily" reported that China since the mid-1980s launched the "863 high-tech plan" in the high-temperature gas-cooled reactor known as the subject has achieved a major breakthrough. March 1998, "Wen Wei Po" reported that China has the advanced international level, the first-generation "high-temperature gas-cooled nuclear reactor" in a collaboration with the University has been put into trial operation, to fill gaps in the domestic, indicates that China's scientific research capacity in the discipline Is a world leader. This high-tech achievements in 2001 have 863 plans 15th anniversary shown in the exhibition, introduced in the text specifically mention its mainly used for military, some people speculate that technology has been applied to the 091 submarines to improve the work. But I think that the high-temperature gas-cooled nuclear reactor application in China is still in the early stages, the land-based test reactor construction has just begun. If its application in the service phase of the 091 submarines, the technical maturity of the missing would risk larger. Therefore, that 091 new improved version of pressurized water reactors to replace the more likely.

That 091 overseas to dismantle reducer and auxiliary generator system, the reactor directly drive a 60,000 kilowatts of DC generator. Reactors and generators form a whole, installed in a "damping floating raft," and connect with the outside all the pipes, connected by flexible shock absorption. Greatly reduce the noise of the power system was tested, only the technology to reduce by nearly 20 dB noise. Reactor - the current generation systems promote the direct-drive motor, and to high-power, high-capacity lithium batteries.

-- A 45,000 kilowatts of the great low-speed torque motor, a direct-drive aescinate the corners propeller, is expected to be the largest submerged speed suddenly increased to 33. In advancing axis of the serial a speed of 320 kilowatts of economic motor, a separate advance, submerged speed of 11. In the international community is following the U.S. "Sea Wolf", the second-use nuclear - the nuclear electric propulsion mode.

-- Installation of the 60,000 kilograms of high-power, high-capacity lithium battery, it can even absorb the reactor - all of the generator system generating capacity, regardless of promoting more high-power motors to run (this is in accordance with the changing tactical requirements, any Submarine would not have been submerged in full swing), the reactor - generator system will always be in the best working conditions operation, and stable operation also further reduce the noise.

-- Dynamic Systems trick is that when the 60,000 kg of high-power, high-capacity lithium battery is full of power (• 540,000 kilowatt hours), you can shut down the reactor in order to reduce noise. Battery sufficient for the submarine submerged at full speed for 10 hours, if the speed of economic submerged, but also submerged hundreds of hours. This is the nuclear-powered submarines from other countries do, but also impossible.

If the above information is true, then that absolute power to 091 tough and very quiet, not less than 093 the number!

二. Batteries for submarines

The submarine with high power, high-capacity lithium battery, Shu-old investigation that China is the world's advanced level. Military superpower in this respect, to promote civilian use only quietly. In about 2002 to 2003 CDC army was on the altar on a Chinese submarine with a high-power, high-capacity lithium battery-XXX, and later removed, Zhang now has basically can not see the map. The company was founded in 1998, the study high-power, high-capacity lithium battery with a number of the world, except for military and civilian, many foreign companies are Muming to order.

The company's leading products in the catalogue is not yet open to XXXX XX licensing submarine batteries series, broken down into eight varieties. The installation of three conventional submarines, each 224, with the total energy of 6,272 kilowatts, can drive a displacement of 2,000 tons of water droplets submarines creeping to 3.5 per hour to 150 hours and peak power will enable submarines to 17 / hour, which will Far more than the most advanced AIP system. This is by boat, according to another, the allocation of the company's solid momentum of high-energy lithium batteries for electric buses, only 20 to 40 minutes per charge, up to 400 km mileage, accelerate from zero km to 100 km only Takes 19 seconds, top speed of 120 km. After more than 30,000 kilometers of testing, fully meet civilian standards. This technology has been recognized as major national scientific and technological achievements. State Ministry of Science and Technology, national defense agencies of the battery of military testing a number of tests, all the indicators all qualified. China's "863" plan lithium battery research and development center has been incorporated into systems. As for the nuclear submarine batteries, not to mention the absolutely first-class level and quality.

This is the domestic lithium battery level, China has successfully developed high-power, high-capacity high-iron battery.

High iron battery iron battery is the stability of Ferrate (K2FeO4, BaFeO4, etc.), can be used as high-speed railway battery cathode materials to produce energy density, small size, light weight, long life, a new type of chemical pollution-free batteries . Iron battery advantages: high-energy high-capacity. Currently on the market than the civilian battery power only 60-135 w / kg, and the high iron battery can reach 1000 w / kg more than ordinary batteries discharge current is the 3 - 10 times. Particularly suitable for high-power, high current occasions. High iron battery cost-effective. Alkaline manganese batteries can not meet the current needs large current consumption of large-capacity digital cameras, cameras and other electronic products needs, lithium-ion batteries due to cost in this respect are not very competitive. High iron battery discharge curve flat. If Zn-K2FeO4, 70% more than the discharge time in the 1.2-1.5 V.

三. 091-III and with silencer-Watt

091 photos from speaking to a significant change, the change of clothes, as is a new paint brush or a silent tile Phi, before there are controversies. In fact, the early years the military has an altar North Sea Phi cream Daixue 091 photographs, silent tile out in the head, the tile with tile on the controversy has little significance. 039 have even used the tiles, let alone a country weighing equipment. Muffler Watts of use, once again making the Han-class stealth be greatly improved.

四. Command and control and the level of information

As our military equipment develop in the direction of positive information, modified 091 nuclear submarines in the level of information should also substantially increase not only raise the level of automation, information sharing capability, command and control capabilities should be substantially increased. Nuclear submarines from abroad to improve the level of automation experience, 09 l modified the automation of the first nuclear submarine is to command a battle to improve the system, the only way to enhance its operational efficiency and response capabilities, and improve the ship with other kinds of synergies between the combat capability Followed by the communication system improvements, foreign advanced attack submarines, equipped with an information network for information sharing between Jianyuan, and enhance the transparency of combat command, the technology has been widely used in China's advanced surface vessels, I believe in 09 l submarines will also work to improve the application of this technology. At the same time, there are 091 to be equipped with a self-developed China's satellite navigation system, further improve their command and control capability. Finally, raise the level of automation, the focus is to improve the automation level of combat systems, including automatic torpedo loading equipment installation, automatic warning devices, such as fighting, which both help to reduce the quota fighting, raising the submarine's self-sustainability.

Allegedly 091 to substantially improve the degree of automation, fighting quota by 75 people dropped to 52. 091 to install the education network, each crew allocation of a portable machine. This has become a fixed item of the submarine. Submerged for a long period of the greater significance of nuclear submarines and Kazakhstan.

五. Weapons systems

09l modified nuclear submarine weapons system should also be within the scope of the upgrade. From the 2007 model on display appearance, the torpedo launch tube no major change in the next 2 or 4 on the six 533 mm torpedo tube design, but the torpedoes might have changed. China in 1974 and equipment 09 l submarine torpedo is "fish" l torpedo, 3 O after years of development, I am with the existing torpedo technology has been synchronized with the world, it should be logical escalation of torpedoes. Active-duty army major conventional submarines and warships of the major equipment is "fish"-heavy torpedoes, and therefore should be able to determine 091 version is also equipped with a nuclear submarine torpedo this. In addition, China's new generation of more "fish" B anti-ship torpedoes, "fish" anti-ship 5 / anti-submarine torpedoes have been used to equip our troops, 091 modified may have more advanced equipment such torpedoes. According to the outside world, "fish" in the development of five torpedoes in the mid-8 0, "Otto II" fuel, with low noise and no track advantage. 5 fish a maximum speed 50, 35, flight speed of 45 kilometers, the largest submarine 500 meters deep, guided approach to wire-guided Active / Passive joint sound self-directed, self-directed sound system using digital computer control.

The original 091 submarines with anti-ship missiles, according to the foreign media that is a 801 c. The upgraded version of the 091 nuclear submarines, anti-ship missile will be upgraded, Sheng is the possibility of c-803, because the missiles have become the main force of China's anti-ship missile ships. 091 may also be modified nuclear submarines equipped with submarine-launched cruise missiles, waiting for news to confirm.

Overseas announced the test record

Modified test was conducted in 405, allegedly in the 250 meters underwater in 405 boats (not up to the maximum 300 meters deep submersible) continuously improve the speed, quickly than the original maximum speed of 25, in the past, this speed When the destroyer measured the noise reached 155 db of sound level, and now displayed on the instrument is only 115 db not to. Anti-submarine helicopters, sonar serviceman reported the noise is 115 db. All of a sudden over the Americans on the Los Angeles attack submarine of the 120 dB, to the latest Russian Akula class submarine level

In 25 medium-speed, the closure of the reactors, measured 100 decibels is the following. When the closure of the main motors, only promote the economic motor speed, speed dropped to 11, on the sonar screen almost could not find traces of it. Determination of the noise Zhibi 95 dB, has reached with the United States as of the Seawolf-class attack submarine similar to the level of 95 decibels, in accordance with the truth, it is already close to the ocean background noise, when the sea storms slightly more, destroyers, Submarine chasers and anti-submarine helicopters, surface or shallow-towed sonar can not detect it. Only deep-dive submarine submarines will it be possible to detect it.

In the end to the old 091-to 093 or by a pre-inquest construction of the new technology? » Can be seen from the above analysis, the first boat for 405 modification, should be after the new, borrowed some of the pre-research technology 093/094. And, in the 2007 defense exhibition on the 091-Beijing to mark the photos clearly in vain for "a new nuclear submarine", the combination of completely transforming, said 091 to "new" do not be overemphasized. Therefore, 091 is definitely worth a visit to the use Jinghong Sword Chun-Qian Kun, no exaggeration.

After 30 years of development, China's attack submarines in the technical advances have made progress, and many of the original application of scientific and technological achievements, the Chinese Navy's operational capability has been thus greatly enhanced.

This is: Ming-Ming, Song-Song, Seoul has changed, summer Chudong; to the former, Jin has to.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Wow! That's great if true.

I recall reading I believe within the last month an article on the internet that China developed an electric car with a new type of batteries that can be charged fully within minutes. I wonder if there's any connection.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Its all speculative wish-think, but the blogger put so much effort and detail in it, I think its worth posting here to read and learn something.

I don't think there are any nuclear subs in the ESF, due to the littoral conditions that's in the responsibility of this fleet. ESF sub bases are not exactly in deep waters and rather inside the mouths of rivers like in Zhoushan. ESF is where the greatest concentrations of diesel submarines should lie.

The nuclear submarines are based on the NSF and SSF, where they have deep water ports. I believe there is at least two in the NSF, visible through Google Earth actually, and if this recent picture are 091Gs, then two in the SSF as well, since that picture came with a string of pictures that show the SSF in exercise (not ESF as the blogger said). That's because 052Bs were identifiable, and both 052Bs are in the SSF.
 

Roger604

Senior Member
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

It actually makes a lot of sense when you consider that Xia was refitted too. So it looks like there's a class of refitted older Han / Xia and a class of [relatively] new Shang / Jin.

Guess the Shang doesn't have the sails on conning tower.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

It actually makes a lot of sense when you consider that Xia was refitted too. So it looks like there's a class of refitted older Han / Xia and a class of [relatively] new Shang / Jin.

Guess the Shang doesn't have the sails on conning tower.

The Shang has planes on the sail/fin/conning tower. But the ones in the known photographs have the planes a bit lower and more forward than the Hans.

I think none of the Hans were ever retired at all, but all of them were refitted.
 

sinowarrior

Junior Member
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

i have the feeling that those so call Han III are in fact early 093s and the 093s we are seeing now are 093A or II. back in 96 the top prority for navy was the development of 094, which is based on the hull of 093, which suggest that in mid 90ish one or possibly 2 093 were already produced, just like the first two Hans. 2 old Han were produced in 70s as testbed, then Xia was produced in early 80s based on them, once Xia was produced, the next three Han were a mod. In this case, the first 1 or 2 093 were produced and then the focus shift to 094, and like early 039 and 039A, the current 093s are already a mod.
 
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