antiterror13
Brigadier
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Is it Song or Yuan ? .. looks like Song
Is it Song or Yuan ? .. looks like Song
PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Can anyone shed light on how this compares with international standards? Because this kind of capability is old news when it comes to guided munitions in the air right? So how much more difficult can it be to do this in water?
Can anyone shed light on how this compares with international standards? Because this kind of capability is old news when it comes to guided munitions in the air right? So how much more difficult can it be to do this in water?
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
This is just advertisement, it's like when Fighter aircraft are claimed to track 100 aircraft and shot down like 10 at anyone time or a SAM is advertised like this, in reality means nothing
Because when bullets starts flying whole situation comes down to the people who command and run these machine and very unlikely situations would you be able to engage two surface combatants and take both out using a submarine, these are just numbers
This is just advertisement, it's like when Fighter aircraft are claimed to track 100 aircraft and shot down like 10 at anyone time or a SAM is advertised like this, in reality means nothing
Because when bullets starts flying whole situation comes down to the people who command and run these machine and very unlikely situations would you be able to engage two surface combatants and take both out using a submarine, these are just numbers
Schumacher
Senior Member
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
No idea, but the video talks something about overcoming interference between the 2 torpedoes among other stuffs to achieve the feat.
No idea, but the video talks something about overcoming interference between the 2 torpedoes among other stuffs to achieve the feat.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Actually it is significant because most torpedoes are wire guided. If you launch two or more torpedoes at the same time logic would dictate that there is a high chance they may have their wires cross and get tangle.. literally! especially if the targets are far apart in either the horizontal or vertical panes... or they crisscross each other.
for it to launch simultaneously the both torpedoes would have start pinging the moment they journey through the tube instead of just switching to active/passive sonar during the terminal phase.
This is even more significant in littoral sub surface warfare and hunting say diesel subs. It's one thing to shoot in the open ocean at a tanker but when you have to seek out a diesel sub in epipelagic depths like some parts of the Med or in the Baltic region with a lot of trenches, abyss, mountains etc it get exponentially more difficult for both the sub and the torpedo.
Shooting a missile in the air is NOT the same as launching a torpedo underwater. That's like saying driving a B-52 is the same as driving a boomer.
Actually it is significant because most torpedoes are wire guided. If you launch two or more torpedoes at the same time logic would dictate that there is a high chance they may have their wires cross and get tangle.. literally! especially if the targets are far apart in either the horizontal or vertical panes... or they crisscross each other.
for it to launch simultaneously the both torpedoes would have start pinging the moment they journey through the tube instead of just switching to active/passive sonar during the terminal phase.
This is even more significant in littoral sub surface warfare and hunting say diesel subs. It's one thing to shoot in the open ocean at a tanker but when you have to seek out a diesel sub in epipelagic depths like some parts of the Med or in the Baltic region with a lot of trenches, abyss, mountains etc it get exponentially more difficult for both the sub and the torpedo.
Shooting a missile in the air is NOT the same as launching a torpedo underwater. That's like saying driving a B-52 is the same as driving a boomer.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
I think the real question is how far apart the targets can be. If the targets are widely separated, I would think there would be compartively little chance of wires crossing unless the submarine has to evade with violent maneuvers. If the submarine has to evade with violent maneuvers while the torpedo(s) is still on the wire, the sub probably has to cut the wire(s) any way.
I think the real question is how far apart the targets can be. If the targets are widely separated, I would think there would be compartively little chance of wires crossing unless the submarine has to evade with violent maneuvers. If the submarine has to evade with violent maneuvers while the torpedo(s) is still on the wire, the sub probably has to cut the wire(s) any way.
Quickie
Colonel
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Imo, it wouldn't be really a problem when the wires are crossed since the wires are left where it is after it's extended. It would be impossible to drag the wires along due to the resistance of the water and pure inertia of the heavy long wires.
Imo, it wouldn't be really a problem when the wires are crossed since the wires are left where it is after it's extended. It would be impossible to drag the wires along due to the resistance of the water and pure inertia of the heavy long wires.
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
As the sub move forward, it has to reel in the wire, otherwise the wire would trail behind, scrape the hull and possibly foul the screw. If the wired becomes crossed and tangled, it might jam as it is reeled in.
As the sub move forward, it has to reel in the wire, otherwise the wire would trail behind, scrape the hull and possibly foul the screw. If the wired becomes crossed and tangled, it might jam as it is reeled in.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Well sure but what have others advertised? Two? Five? Ten simultaneous guided torpedoes? Both the absolute and the relative capabilities are important even if they are only based on marketing claims, we are only armchair analysts after all.
Well sure but what have others advertised? Two? Five? Ten simultaneous guided torpedoes? Both the absolute and the relative capabilities are important even if they are only based on marketing claims, we are only armchair analysts after all.