PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

-http://ln.ifeng.com/news/detail_2013_08/19/1120529_0.shtml,

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-Again,there's no 093B,only 093A and 094A.The PLAN considers type 093 and type 093A are two different class SSNs.Current PLAN SSN inventory: type 091, type 093,type 093A and type 095.The later launched type 093A and type 094A reached the minim requirement for the PLAN,they were built for two reasons:1,they were not a F-22,but at least they were a J-10,they are usable.2,to fill the gap before type 095/096
-032 integrated the functions you mentioned which means they could test those in one boat,but it doesn't mean type 032 is the PLAN's only choice.

You are speaking with a lot of absolutes. As far as your source goes that you posted here, it's not the greatest. When it comes to something strategic like nuclear subs, the information provided by even the most trust worthy "big shrimps" are going to be less reliable than usual. Also in terms of TV interviews with insiders or experts from PLAAF and PLAN, there are plenty of cases they have shown to be nonsense. So as with all else, we have to rely on GE photos or other photos when they do come out.

We do know from all of the recent activities that they probably stopped 093 production at 2, because the stealth level wasn't good enough. The new improved 093 design should be better, but they won't know the performance until it goes on sea trials. As for all of these 093A and 094A reaches minimum requirement of PLAN, that's all hearsay, since PLAN itself hasn't tested out the noise level of them yet and we don't know what their minimum requirement is.

I would say at this point the stuff we get from these American reports as as good as anything we get. But as all else in PLAN, wait and see is the best approach.

I checked,they will build four type 094B.Acturally Chinese called them the type 093 and type 093A SSN,so type 094 and type 094A SSBN.I have no idea how may 093 and 093A will be built.But they will build four type 094A SSBN.Four is the minim number that can insure a nuclear deterence patrol. The type 094A is also the first SSBN that reached the PLA minium requirement to conduct the patrol. You see the logical here:Reach the requirement means mass production.
2015 is the year which the type 095 SSN and the SSGN based on to enter service I believe.My personal collection:
type 093 type 093A type 095
project set 1995 2000? 2005
prototype 2000 2004-2005 after 2010
sea trial 2001-2002 2005-2006 2011-2013
enter service 2003 2007 2015

where is your source other than that link you provided? Your personal reflection for your "type 093A) is clearly wrong based on all the GE photos we've seen.

 

[Broccoli]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

So was this new improved Type 093 sub? (First pic).

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It looks like that 102m submarine has some sort of "hump" and other Type 093 versions do not have such thing, but it's also several meters shorter than Type 093. Is it modernized Type 091?

 

[AeroEngineer]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Not necessarily. It is common knowledge that the Type 093, Type 094, Type 095 and Type 096 are being developed.

In the US, many of these congressional sub (no pun intended-hehehe) committees are required to have public hearings...it becomes part of the Congressional oversight, and the public record and ability to vote with knowledge.

The information here would not be of a classified nature...so there it is.

I personally believe it is probably pretty close, except that I also believe SSGN in this case is a misnomer. It is going to be an SSN with the potential for guided missile use...which we have all been expecting from the PLAN anyway.

If this is the case then then we know that here are 093, then 093A (improved 093), and then 093B (further improved 093). There is the 094 with 12 ICBM, and the new 094G with possibley 16 ICBM, 096 should be at least as good as the Russian Borie class SSBN.

We know that 093 is as good as Victor III, and 093A is as good as early LA class, that means 093B is almost as good as the improved LA class. WOW. 094G should be compareable to the British Vangard class SSBN.

This means the 095 should be at least as good as the SeaWolf, most likely superior to the Virginia class !!

China has caught up with the USA in terms of the world's most advanced SSN, and catching up fast in terms of SSBN as well !

 

[Skywatcher]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

We know that 093 is as good as Victor III, and 093A is as good as early LA class, that means 093B is almost as good as the improved LA class. WOW. 094G should be compareable to the British Vangard class SSBN.

This means the 095 should be at least as good as the SeaWolf, most likely superior to the Virginia class !!

China has caught up with the USA in terms of the world's most advanced SSN, and catching up fast in terms of SSBN as well !

That doesn't make any sense, since that assumption assumes that the PRC can maintain such a rate of increase in SSN quality (remember, often 90-95% of improvements in areas like submarine quieting are relatively easy, the remaining 5-10% is the most difficult).

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Eventually China will have 8 SSN and 8 SSBN

That means they could deploy 5-6 SSBN at anyone time, one in the Pacific, one in the Indian Ocean, one covering national boundary and one on excercise and maybe one in and out in missions

With two in dock during refits

 

[kwaigonegin]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

If this is the case then then we know that here are 093, then 093A (improved 093), and then 093B (further improved 093). There is the 094 with 12 ICBM, and the new 094G with possibley 16 ICBM, 096 should be at least as good as the Russian Borie class SSBN.

We know that 093 is as good as Victor III, and 093A is as good as early LA class, that means 093B is almost as good as the improved LA class. WOW. 094G should be compareable to the British Vangard class SSBN.

This means the 095 should be at least as good as the SeaWolf, most likely superior to the Virginia class !!

China has caught up with the USA in terms of the world's most advanced SSN, and catching up fast in terms of SSBN as well !

no it doesn't mean like what you think it means LOL. You can't draw parallel conclusions like that especially when you take subs from different countries into the equation. China is no where close to the USN when it comes to sub surface warfare either in terms of equipment, readiness, operational tempo, experience and a host of other things. Will they catch up in the near future? possibly but at this point in time I would say that's a negative.

 

[chuck731]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Eventually China will have 8 SSN and 8 SSBN

That means they could deploy 5-6 SSBN at anyone time, one in the Pacific, one in the Indian Ocean, one covering national boundary and one on excercise and maybe one in and out in missions

With two in dock during refits

With 8 SSBNs, they be lucky to ensure 3 are on station at any given time. It normally takes 4-5 SSBNs to garranty at least 1 is on station all the time.

SSBN's operating qualification is to remain undetected. To better achieve this any SSBN should go where there is the largest possible amount of open water to hide in and therefore the least chances of being found. It would go against this principle for the Chinese to send SSBN through the narrow geographic chock point of strait of Melecca. There is not much water in Melecca for anyone interested in tracking a Chinese SSBN to look, with active Sonar if necessary. I would think any Chinese SSBN transiting Melecca would be garranteed to be detected and tailed.

 

[chuck731]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

If this is the case then then we know that here are 093, then 093A (improved 093), and then 093B (further improved 093). There is the 094 with 12 ICBM, and the new 094G with possibley 16 ICBM, 096 should be at least as good as the Russian Borie class SSBN.

We know that 093 is as good as Victor III, and 093A is as good as early LA class, that means 093B is almost as good as the improved LA class. WOW. 094G should be compareable to the British Vangard class SSBN.

This means the 095 should be at least as good as the SeaWolf, most likely superior to the Virginia class !!

China has caught up with the USA in terms of the world's most advanced SSN, and catching up fast in terms of SSBN as well !

This is one remarkably wishful piece of extrapolation.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Eventually China will have 8 SSN and 8 SSBN

That means they could deploy 5-6 SSBN at anyone time, one in the Pacific, one in the Indian Ocean, one covering national boundary and one on excercise and maybe one in and out in missions

With two in dock during refits

Assuming that China wants to build four Type 096 beginning next year, when the first one is rumored to launch, then by 2020 they should have nine SSBN, and assuming a production quota of eight Type 095, they would have 14 SSN. However it is more probable that they would have twice the number of SSNs as they do SSBNs in case of defections.

 

[chuck731]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Assuming that China wants to build four Type 096 beginning next year, when the first one is rumored to launch, then by 2020 they should have nine SSBN, and assuming a production quota of eight Type 095, they would have 14 SSN. However it is more probable that they would have twice the number of SSNs as they do SSBNs in case of defections.

It does seem logical for them to build many more SSNs or SSGNs than SSBNs. I suspect until China has fully caught up with the west in silencing, and has built on a more numerous fleet of SSBNs, china would operate at least part of its SSBN force in a near shore bastion protected by SSNs. Beyond SSNs needed to guarded bastions they would need more to operate independently or with the surface fleet.