PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[clone7803]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

It's unlikely for the following reasons:
- military insiders including pop3 stated that the 095 is still in development, which means construction phase at the latest
- there is no reason to launch the 093B if its successor was already built
- there is persistent rumor that the 095 will enter construction this year or next year
- the Type 032 was meant to test the technologies on it, and yet it was launched in 2010
- now the most likely answer to that rumor is that the original poster mistook the 093B for its successor

BTW, which table is this referring to?

-Don't believe any so called insiders,or at least don't believe 100%.Tang's recent talk is more crediable than pop3 which is like the PLAAF deputy chief He's interview in 2009 who clamed the J-XX will reveal soon,of course few believed him at that time.
-093 and 093B,each of them built two,which is the same situation as the 052 and 052B buit two each.It clearly indicated the PLAN is not satisfied with them.So 052C is on the way,so the 095.
-The time table is not that accurate as I said above,which one to believe counts on you.
-Before the type 032,there were other platforms already existed in the PLAN for testing.Type 032 is mean to take the job when the old SLBM test boat retired which is almost 40 years old.There is not too much correlation between type 095 and type 32 test boat.
-Your own oppionion.
By the way,for the trusworth of the leak,I took following:High rank officers>non PSed imagines>PLA publications>insiders>DoD annu report about PLA>Kristenson and Kanwa>FAN boys.

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

093 and 093B,each of them built two,which is the same situation as the 052 and 052B buit two each.It clearly indicated the PLAN is not satisfied with them.So 052C is on the way,so the 095.
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Actually, most analysts believe that there were two 093s and they are being followed by four 093Bs, and that the 095 will not be out until 2015 or so (whether that is a launch or in service date is not generally known...but if it is an in-service date, it would have to launch soon), and since the four 093Bs are not all complete yet, a 2015 in service date for the 095 seems unlikely. More likely a launch date. .

Each person has to decide for themselves who they believe.

 

[clone7803]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Actually, most analysts believe that there were two 093s and they are being followed by four 093Bs, and that the 095 will not be out until 2015 or so (whether that is a launch or in service date is not generally known...but if it is an in-service date, it would have to launch soon), and since the four 093Bs are not all complete yet, a 2015 in service date for the 095 seems unlikely. More likely a launch date. .

Each person has to decide for themselves who they believe.

I checked,they will build four type 094B.Acturally Chinese called them the type 093 and type 093A SSN,so type 094 and type 094A SSBN.I have no idea how may 093 and 093A will be built.But they will build four type 094A SSBN.Four is the minim number that can insure a nuclear deterence patrol. The type 094A is also the first SSBN that reached the PLA minium requirement to conduct the patrol. You see the logical here:Reach the requirement means mass production.
2015 is the year which the type 095 SSN and the SSGN based on to enter service I believe.My personal collection:
type 093 type 093A type 095
project set 1995 2000? 2005
prototype 2000 2004-2005 after 2010
sea trial 2001-2002 2005-2006 2011-2013
enter service 2003 2007 2015

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Actually, most analysts believe that there were two 093s and they are being followed by four 093Bs, and that the 095 will not be out until 2015 or so (whether that is a launch or in service date is not generally known...but if it is an in-service date, it would have to launch soon), and since the four 093Bs are not all complete yet, a 2015 in service date for the 095 seems unlikely. More likely a launch date. .

Each person has to decide for themselves who they believe.

There are conflicting rumors about the Type 095. Some people claim that an image of the Type 095 under construction was released and then censored in 2012 while recent talk suggests that the Type 095 has yet to enter construction.

Most likely the 2015 date isn't significant at all and is probably based on very old estimations of the Type 095.

It is likely that the Type 095 might be launched in late 2014 or early 2015, assuming it takes one year for construction.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

-Don't believe any so called insiders,or at least don't believe 100%.Tang's recent talk is more crediable than pop3 which is like the PLAAF deputy chief He's interview in 2009 who clamed the J-XX will reveal soon,of course few believed him at that time.
-093 and 093B,each of them built two,which is the same situation as the 052 and 052B buit two each.It clearly indicated the PLAN is not satisfied with them.So 052C is on the way,so the 095.
-The time table is not that accurate as I said above,which one to believe counts on you.
-Before the type 032,there were other platforms already existed in the PLAN for testing.Type 032 is mean to take the job when the old SLBM test boat retired which is almost 40 years old.There is not too much correlation between type 095 and type 32 test boat.
-Your own oppionion.
By the way,for the trusworth of the leak,I took following:High rank officers>non PSed imagines>PLA publications>insiders>DoD annu report about PLA>Kristenson and Kanwa>FAN boys.

- please post quotations on the recent talk
- the consensus is that four 093B are planned, 2-4 are in construction, and one is completed. The fact that they launched the 093B after the supposed 2010-2011 date makes it very suspicious.
- Type 032 features vertically launched missile, SLBM, SAM, special forces compartment, unmanned underwater vehicle, new heat powered torpedo, all of which are slated for a SSN

And what makes people so sure that these talk by high ranking people aren't made up by fanboys?

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I read from several sources that type 093 had several large flank sonar arrays on each side. This model show none.

It is a pretty rough model; note that the torpedo tubes are missing as well.

 

[clone7803]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

- please post quotations on the recent talk
- the consensus is that four 093B are planned, 2-4 are in construction, and one is completed. The fact that they launched the 093B after the supposed 2010-2011 date makes it very suspicious.
- Type 032 features vertically launched missile, SLBM, SAM, special forces compartment, unmanned underwater vehicle, new heat powered torpedo, all of which are slated for a SSN

And what makes people so sure that these talk by high ranking people aren't made up by fanboys?

-http://ln.ifeng.com/news/detail_2013_08/19/1120529_0.shtml,

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-Again,there's no 093B,only 093A and 094A.The PLAN considers type 093 and type 093A are two different class SSNs.Current PLAN SSN inventory: type 091, type 093,type 093A and type 095.The later launched type 093A and type 094A reached the minim requirement for the PLAN,they were built for two reasons:1,they were not a F-22,but at least they were a J-10,they are usable.2,to fill the gap before type 095/096
-032 integrated the functions you mentioned which means they could test those in one boat,but it doesn't mean type 032 is the PLAN's only choice.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

-http://ln.ifeng.com/news/detail_2013_08/19/1120529_0.shtml,

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-Again,there's no 093B,only 093A and 094A.The PLAN considers type 093 and type 093A are two different class SSNs.Current PLAN SSN inventory: type 091, type 093,type 093A and type 095.The later launched type 093A and type 094A reached the minim requirement for the PLAN,they were built for two reasons:1,they were not a F-22,but at least they were a J-10,they are usable.2,to fill the gap before type 095/096
-032 integrated the functions you mentioned which means they could test those in one boat,but it doesn't mean type 032 is the PLAN's only choice.

- the link was posted here already, but it makes no mention of either submarine
- the point being made is that the 093B was launched in 2013 which doesn't make sense considering that its successor was rumored to be launched in 2010-2011..
- The 032 still tested technologies for the SSN, meaning that at that time the 095 was not ready yet.

 

[clone7803]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

- the link was posted here already, but it makes no mention of either submarine
- the point being made is that the 093B was launched in 2013 which doesn't make sense considering that its successor was rumored to be launched in 2010-2011..
- The 032 still tested technologies for the SSN, meaning that at that time the 095 was not ready yet.

-In 2009 the PLAAF deputy chief said the Chinese 4th generation fighter will take maiden flight soon,he didn't mention the J-20's name neither,but we all know what does "the 4th generation fighter" mean.
-What do you mean "launched"? If you mean the 093A photo leaked,it generally means it's already in service for at least two years.Plus the type 093A took sea trial much eralier than your imagination.
-Not necessary.It took two steps to make a new weapon in PLAN:1,the scientist or engineer made the prototype;2,the testing ship/boat tested it in the real envirement.The 032 is for the stage 2 which won't take too much time.Plus,before 032,the PLAN already had respective testing ship/boat to test the sub-systems.For example they have a ship particullay for the sonar,they even had the 40 years old testing boat.So there's still not too much correlation between the type 032 and type095. Again,the type 032 only made things more convinent and cost-effectiveable.

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I'm hoping Chinese AIP technology has improved and can be installed in the newer modern SSKs

It would be great news for PN if they can get 6 x SSK fitted with AIP, all three Agosta 90B in service have AIP and Pakistan constructed the last one at Karachi dockyards so they can rebuild, repair and overhaul these submarine when required

Added to that the two Agosta 70 gives PN good fleet of 5 SSK and with the training and experience of PN all 5 can be put to sea all at the same time thanks to the planned rotations and maintainence

Three Agosta 90B (front) and two Agosta 70 (rear)

Indias 13 SSK none with AIP with 11 over 20 years old could manage 7 SSK out at anyone time really doesnt give them much advantage, I think PN is waiting when the French Scorpene Class starting coming on line thats 6 of them then PN will start getting serious about the six Chinese SSK to keep the military balance in South East Asia, first Scorpene isn't due to arrive till 2016 that's if all goes as planned so there is plenty of time to finalise the design and requirements

Hopefully we can see installation of land attack cruise missiles too with the addition of Pakistani built Babur missiles giving second strike

With Chinese submarines like Type 032 appearing with large displacements it seems like they have got themselves into advanced AIP technology, I mean China SSK is as large as Indian SSBN the Arihant Class