PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

Broccoli

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Jeff Head said:
Apparently their original goal was Los Angeles Flight I, so perhaps they will achieve that with the improved vessels.
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Los Angeles Flight I is same as "637" SSN in that projection table? Such noise levels would be probably useless against Japan or US, but perhaps good enough to confront Indian navy.
 
Jeff Head

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Broccoli said:
Los Angeles Flight I is same as "637" SSN in that projection table? Such noise levels would be probably useless against Japan or US, but perhaps good enough to confront Indian navy.
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Oh no, a Flight I Los Angeles is still a very dangerous foe...and can sink even better submarines. No one will take either the LA Flight I, or the Type 093/B for granted.

In the hands of the right captain and crew, they are very dangerous indeed.

Although they have been upgraded with newer coatings, the US still operates eleven Flight I Los Angeles class boats. The oldest is the USS Bremerton, SSN-698, commissioned in 1981, almost 33 years ago.
 
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chuck731

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A well handled and reliable nuclear boat, even oldr noisy one, is probably never useless. It could always take advantage of its nuclear endurance, and creep along at a few knots for long periods of time to avoid detection and access a more remote and less well defended area, and there attack shipping or second and third echelon support forces.
 
Hyperwarp

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Jeff Head said:
Oh no, a Flight I Los Angeles is still a very dangerous foe...and can sink even better submarines. No one will take either the LA Flight I, or the Type 093 for granted.

In the hands of the right captain and crew, they are very dangerous indeed.

Although they have been upgraded with newer coatings, the US still operates eleven Flight I Los Angeles class boats. The oldest is the USS Bremerton, SSN-698, commissioned in 1981, almost 33 years ago.
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Even against a Seawolf??
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Well ssn575 for sure. Its like a mig21 vs a f22. If the pilot is good conditions are right an god above is on your side and willing to offer a miracle. Any thing is possible.
 
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latenlazy

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Well ssn575 for sure. Its like a mig21 vs a f22. If the pilot is good conditions are right an god above is on your side and willing to offer a miracle. Any thing is possible.
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Less than state of the art submarines have a huge advantage over less than state of the art fighters in that their successes and failures rely far less on kinematics.
 
tphuang

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clone7803 said:
I did say it's not 100% accurate in my earlier post since I am here to find the truth.Here I offered a kind of possibility.As the source ,I provided a link,and you should know the different quality between a PLA officer who is on the TV show everyday and a higher ranked officer whom you hear him maybe only once in your entire life.
I am pretty sure most pepole don't know the differecet between a 093 and a 093A.As for the GE photo,OMG,they should release them every one week with higher resolution.You can not tell if it's a 093 or a 093A since each 093A is different,and you can not tell if it's a newly built or the former one.
Finally I agree that let's stop here and wait for two or three years .Maybe it's true that type 095 reaches the Viginial level as the so called insider claimed,maybe it's just another type 093 who disappointed me too much.
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I think the problem most of us would have with your original post is that you basically stated this is it, rather than this could be it. and your only evidence is a link to a tv program. That's very strong tone for a brand new member. You give too little credit to people on this forum who have probably watched years of such clips and scoured Chinese forum for details on any new Chinese system.

Broccoli said:
I was talking about the improved Type-093 not the original what is compared in this chart, certainly it should be more quieter than late model Victor III, and if it's not then it would be probably smarter for PLAN to wait Type-95.
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We don't know what the changes are. If they have new generator in there, it would certainly help. But if the basic dimension of the new Type 093 doesn't change much from the old one, there is a limit to how quiet it can get.

Jeff Head said:
Oh no, a Flight I Los Angeles is still a very dangerous foe...and can sink even better submarines. No one will take either the LA Flight I, or the Type 093 for granted.

In the hands of the right captain and crew, they are very dangerous indeed.

Although they have been upgraded with newer coatings, the US still operates eleven Flight I Los Angeles class boats. The oldest is the USS Bremerton, SSN-698, commissioned in 1981, almost 33 years ago.
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I think that's the point here to note. These subs are not fighting by themselves. Under the right conditions, they will be very dangerous. I think the biggest improvement in 093 and 094 is that PLAN finally has a submarine capable of making regular patrols (without major reliability isuses or at least nothing we've heard about). Now, they have to really work on making it quieter, which is what the improved 093 and 095 are supposed to be.

And PLAN knows where the noise level of their SSN need to get to eventually. They have really quiet diesel subs like Type 032.
 
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