PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[SinoSoldier]

Re: Two Type 094 variants

Presumably you >_>

I personally doubt there is a second 094 variant out there. If it was credible at all it would have leaked over to english forums with greater testimony than a single poster who's known to make overoptimistic predictions before.

If I were making this post out of my own mind then I wouldn't have asked this question. But anyhow the theory could be simply a naming confusion, the 096 being an improved 094.

 

[kroko]

Re: Two Type 094 variants

If I were making this post out of my own mind then I wouldn't have asked this question. But anyhow the theory could be simply a naming confusion, the 096 being an improved 094.

Right. And type 095 could be an improved 093. Maybe thats why they say that it is identical to the LA class (similar to type 093). Makes sense.

 

[zoom]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Forgive me if this is already known to all but Wiki lists the future 096 (Tang class) as potentially having 24 JL2 capable tubes and offers this picture of a model.Does anyone give it any credibility? Thought i would throw into the discussion just in case it's been missed.

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[Blitzo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

There is no credibility to that model or the wikipedia entry.

We barely have any info on the 095 and even less on the 096.

 

[pendragon]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Two 094 models could make sence, considering initial state of know-how at date of conception of the programme (20 years ago?) and the fact that this is the primordial nuclear defence item of the PRC, so neither money nor sweat would have been spared.
First model with standard (as available) technology; so similar but updated as to old model ssnb (fail-safe option)
Second model with technology as hoped to acquire by the time of actual builing of the vessel (PLAN christmas present )

 

[Riverman]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Forgive me if this is already known to all but Wiki lists the future 096 (Tang class) as potentially having 24 JL2 capable tubes and offers this picture of a model.Does anyone give it any credibility? Thought i would throw into the discussion just in case it's been missed.

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I always thought that the missile hatches looks very small on that model

 

[no_name]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Maybe it's an old cancelled design plan that use the same basic submarine designs as type 92 (but enlarged) carrying JL-1 but just increased missile number to 24.

 

[escobar]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I am expecting Type 096 to have 16 missiles tubes. it's more than enough. Cold War is over
Even USN plans to have 16 for the SSBN(X)

 

[no_name]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I think with MIRV it's less imperative to carry as many missiles as before. I don't think when the time ever comes for a SSBN firing off SLBM it's only going to be a dedicated one-off nuclear strike. They are one of the primary second-strike platforms for a reason.

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

considering China has its own supercomputers which can model climate change, monitor weather, study space I think its quite ok to assume China can make very quite and advanced submarines

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How quiet are Chinese submarines?

Regarding sound-dampening technology, we know China uses very advanced seven-axis machine tools to build their submarine's quiet seven-bladed asymmetric propeller. Also, we can see the anechoic tiles on Chinese submarines that dampen their acoustic signature. We can reasonably assume that China uses powerful supercomputers to design their submarines.

However, you want to know the answer to the big question. How quiet are Chinese submarines compared to American and Russian submarines? That's a highly-classified military secret. I don't think anyone without Top Secret clearance knows the answer to that question.

I will assume you want me to provide you with my best educated guess. Firstly, China built its first Type 033 Romeo-class submarine around 1962. Today, it is 2012. China has 50 years of experience in building submarines.

Secondly, China recently built the world's fastest supercomputer (which was just dethroned by the Japanese). China's ability to conduct fluid dynamics modeling of its submarine designs on supercomputers is equivalent to western nations.

Thirdly, China has advanced CNC (Computer Numerical Control) machine tools to manufacture propeller blades and other parts to very tight tolerances (see citation below).

I think the conclusion is almost inescapable. Chinese submarine design and manufacturing technology are very close to the Americans. American submarines are probably quieter, but not by much.

To build a quiet submarine is a straightforward application of physics and materials science. Chinese scientists excel in physics and materials science.

Now, let's deal with the elephant in the room. To put it mildly, the U.S. Navy has operated many more patrols than the PLA Navy. To become an effective submarine hunter, it requires a lot of expensive real world patrols. The U.S. Navy wins hands down at this point in time.

To use an analogy, I believe a Chinese sniper rifle is almost as good as an American sniper rifle. However, the American sniper has been hunting for sixty years non-stop. The Chinese sniper has only been out in the field for a few years. The greenhorn will get killed out there.

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From my April 14, 2011 post:

China's CKX5680 Digitally Controlled 7-axis Contour Milling Machine