PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread
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RedMercury
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Not surprising nor news. Russian/Soviet subs also had this. But it really is a last ditch weapon, not really something to be deployed as a first defense against aerial ASW assets.
Not surprising nor news. Russian/Soviet subs also had this. But it really is a last ditch weapon, not really something to be deployed as a first defense against aerial ASW assets.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Why do you say it's a last resort weapon? That's only way to kill a plane from a sub. Also I like to know how it work. Since the subs under the water, radar won't work, how does it detect the ASW plane?
Why do you say it's a last resort weapon? That's only way to kill a plane from a sub. Also I like to know how it work. Since the subs under the water, radar won't work, how does it detect the ASW plane?
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
If the sub is at periscope depth, it may have a periscope that acts as a radar warning reciever, which can also determine roughly the distance and bearing of the emitting source. Won't be hard to determine if its a plane and a plane searching for submarines by its emission, and the way it travels.
This is only a last ditch defensive tactic at best.
If the sub is at periscope depth, it may have a periscope that acts as a radar warning reciever, which can also determine roughly the distance and bearing of the emitting source. Won't be hard to determine if its a plane and a plane searching for submarines by its emission, and the way it travels.
This is only a last ditch defensive tactic at best.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
How about using IRST to detect the plane.
What about develope a combo of SAM+torpedo, launch like a torpedo and it moves away from the sub, and as it surface it blast up like a missile. So this way, enemies can't detect where the missile is actually launched therefore can't track the sub.
How about using IRST to detect the plane.
What about develope a combo of SAM+torpedo, launch like a torpedo and it moves away from the sub, and as it surface it blast up like a missile. So this way, enemies can't detect where the missile is actually launched therefore can't track the sub.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
IRST detection of plane isn't very far, especially at sea environment. We are still talking direct line of sight and WVR ranges.
Also a plane can drop sonobuoys. These things floating in the water can relay radio messages to the patrolling plane if a sub is nearby. A patrolling MPA can drop a torpedo in cruise and passive search mode.
QW series is a MANPADS. That's portable SAM to you and that has a very limited range. So don't entertain notions it can be used as a first strike against patrolling aircraft.
IRST detection of plane isn't very far, especially at sea environment. We are still talking direct line of sight and WVR ranges.
Also a plane can drop sonobuoys. These things floating in the water can relay radio messages to the patrolling plane if a sub is nearby. A patrolling MPA can drop a torpedo in cruise and passive search mode.
QW series is a MANPADS. That's portable SAM to you and that has a very limited range. So don't entertain notions it can be used as a first strike against patrolling aircraft.
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
ICBM can launch under water, VLS SAM should able to do the same /w some modifications. If they somehow perfect the SAM like I mentioned torpedo+SAM, then all P-3 plane and ASW helicopters would be finished.
btw I also like to point if implmenting a remote controll surfaced mini-sub that has the radar and IR seeker that help to guide the bigger sub.
ICBM can launch under water, VLS SAM should able to do the same /w some modifications. If they somehow perfect the SAM like I mentioned torpedo+SAM, then all P-3 plane and ASW helicopters would be finished.
btw I also like to point if implmenting a remote controll surfaced mini-sub that has the radar and IR seeker that help to guide the bigger sub.
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
Let me repeat to you about this again. The is based on a MANPADS. That is a missile small enough to be held on a shoulder. That's isn't going to give you much range at best. 4 to 6km at best.
A light torpedo in a cruise setting can go anywhere from 10km to 25km.
The SAM on the Song class is launched through a small hole in the sail. That means it can only launch one at a time. This is very limited. And you can only store a few.
Let me repeat to you about this again. The is based on a MANPADS. That is a missile small enough to be held on a shoulder. That's isn't going to give you much range at best. 4 to 6km at best.
A light torpedo in a cruise setting can go anywhere from 10km to 25km.
The SAM on the Song class is launched through a small hole in the sail. That means it can only launch one at a time. This is very limited. And you can only store a few.
Pointblank
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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II
A missile launch like that will attract almost every single ASW platform in the area to come in and respond. So instead of 1 P-3 above you or 1 helicopter, you suddenly may have 10 P-3's or helicopters buzzing above you.
A missile launch like that will attract almost every single ASW platform in the area to come in and respond. So instead of 1 P-3 above you or 1 helicopter, you suddenly may have 10 P-3's or helicopters buzzing above you.