PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[kroko]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

why would it be redundant?

and how would the current and newer SLBMs "certainly not fit in this sub"?

what do you think the over sized conning tower is for?

This is a weapons testing boat.

I dunno. You see, improved yuan has torpedo launch tubes. i dont know if a SLBM test platform is supposed to have them

 

[Blitzo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I dunno. You see, improved yuan has torpedo launch tubes. i dont know if a SLBM test platform is supposed to have them

Because a SLBM test platform definitely won't be used to test other things such as torpedos...

I'm not sure if this sub is a test platform, simply because we can't seem to see the VLS tube in the conning tower as of yet and also because this sub does have some not redundant noise reduction features -- why put all this into a whole new, nearly completely new design (compared to the Yuan) which is just going to be a test submarine?

I suppose we'll know in a year or two when the second of these should come out. If it doesn't then this current sub is probably a test platform.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I measured the new sub from the beginning of the tail to the front and got 84.5 meters

I did the same with the Yuan in the middle and got 66.5 meters

I measured the Yuan on the right from tail to front and got 75 meters.

Going by that proportion the new sub would be 95 meters long.

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Big isn't it? The Qing class on the left is enormous for an SSK

huh? Qing class?

The middle and right subs are newly launched improved Yuan class. The one on the right is the Qing. Comparatively it is much larger than the already sizable 4200 ton improved Yuans. The tower alone is at least twice as large and even partially submerged it is longer than the Yuan fully afloat. It is massive.

Where did you get Yuan is 4200 ton? All along, I was going by the assumption that Yuan is larger than Song and about the same size as Kilo (around 3000 ton in displacement)

As far as I know it is a SSK. And I think it would be around 6000 tons. Its dimensions certainly reflect that more. And Chinese nuclear subs get bigger every time not smaller.

again, don't make up numbers randomly.

Considering that this is a SSK (China does not build SSN at WuChang), what kind of powerplant arrangement do you think is needed to power something that's 6000 ton in displacement? Please consider their existing power plant options with Song and Yuan.

The Soryu you are talking about has known dimensions. I assume your measurement for the Qing is for the part that is not submerged only. So adjust that a little more.

Lets assume 92-95 meters by 9.8 to 10.5 meters for the fully exposed Qing. Increase in height is presumed as well.

Changes in dimensions like that would make the Qing have far larger displacement hence my 6000 figure. perhaps I should have said 5500 to 6500 tons submerged instead.

Qing should have similar pattern to Yuan besides the tower which is at least twice as large

Here is a 7000 ton 110 meter by 10 meter Los Angelos class for comparison as well.

this is your calculation?

If it is 6500 tons that is...

There's still some confusion over the actual role of the "Qing". Some people think it's a one off "test sub" to supplement the PLAN's current single Golf or maybe it's a cruise missile carrier or even AShBM carrier...

There is no reason to build something that's a generation ahead of Yuan in terms of stealth to supplement golf class. I read the same topics and get speechless.

I measured the new sub from the beginning of the tail to the front and got 84.5 meters

I did the same with the Yuan in the middle and got 66.5 meters

I measured the Yuan on the right from tail to front and got 75 meters.

Going by that proportion the new sub would be 95 meters long.

pretty arbitrary, don't you think?

 

[adeptitus]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

China just started mass-producing the new, improved (sounds like a detergent commercial) Yuans with a slightly larger size and more hydrodynamic fin (conning tower).

Speaking of commercials, did anyone notice the big ad decals on the side of the 039B?

The CSIC decal in the middle is easy to read, but I'm curious if anyone knows what the 2 others to the right/left of it is.

 

[lcloo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

The one on the right side is CWI, with C in large letter and WI inside the letter C, can't help on the other one.

Interesting the logos are in Roman lettering or English, I think they are created for export promotion in mind.

 

[kroko]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

The one on the right side is CWI, with C in large letter and WI inside the letter C, can't help on the other one.

Interesting the logos are in Roman lettering or English, I think they are created for export promotion in mind.

Export? they really need to advertise it more. Because the ship as it stands new, seems a secret project. Besides i dont think that china´s military customers will have the money to buy this. Its one of the biggest SSK in the world.

 

[lcloo]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Export? they really need to advertise it more. Because the ship as it stands new, seems a secret project. Besides i dont think that china´s military customers will have the money to buy this. Its one of the biggest SSK in the world.

CSIC exports a lot of commercial civilian ships and other maritime platforms. It is a large engineering group. This is the first time I see they put logo on submarine, I think they are aiming at Pakistan navy's submarine purchasing, may be not promoting this particular new sub but to put their logo to showcase it.

I think Pakistan is interested in Yuan class sub or in joint-venture for a new class of sub as has been discussed in Pakistan Defefence Forum recently.

 

[luhai]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I think it's a get the name out thing, since their can't put this spanking new submarine in their ads, their just have put their ads on the spanking new submarine and have the internet community do their promotion.

 

[kroko]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I think it's a get the name out thing, since their can't put this spanking new submarine in their ads, their just have put their ads on the spanking new submarine and have the internet community do their promotion.

lol, quite an argument you have here, like if they would need the internet to reach military customers (who are governments, you see)