PLAN Supersonic Anti-Ship Missiles
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Gauntlet
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We'll see when its finished. Right now its all rumours.MIGleader said:
Tell me...what is the logic behind China building their 2nd Generation nuclear submarine, which will outclass all Russian and American designs? These nations have had nuclear subs for over 50 years now...China has had them for like 10.
MIGleader
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china has had nuclear submarines for 25 years.
i did not say it would ouclass all russian or american submainres(mybe it would outclass russian subs in terms of safety...)
the technology used(not rumors, but published reports from beijing) was originally developed by russia. but russia condiered it too dangerous to feild, and america was too interested in seawolf to care about the possible applications of high temperature gas cooled reactors
now only china feilds it, on board their two 93 ssns. i dont see a wester equivalent for at least 10 year, for this tech is very difficult to master.
i did not say it would ouclass all russian or american submainres(mybe it would outclass russian subs in terms of safety...)
the technology used(not rumors, but published reports from beijing) was originally developed by russia. but russia condiered it too dangerous to feild, and america was too interested in seawolf to care about the possible applications of high temperature gas cooled reactors
now only china feilds it, on board their two 93 ssns. i dont see a wester equivalent for at least 10 year, for this tech is very difficult to master.
MIGleader said:
It looks like the USA has done considerable work in this area:
Since the US uses water-cooled reactors with natural circulation(and don't appear to want to change), I believe they get better results (efficiency)than with anything inherent in High Temp. Gas Cooled applications.
It says here the DOE has been utilizing this technology since at least 1987. It's nothing new at all. I agree with Gauntlet, I doubt highly that 093 will be anywhere near an Akula-I in quieting and endurance, much less a 688(I). Don't even try to say it comes anywhere near Virginia, Seawolf, or the British Trafalgar upgraded SSN's.
MIGleader
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CAN U GUYS READ!!??!!
i said the 93 will outperform all western all western submarines in speed and engine efficiency, not noise level
DOE, despite all its progress, has only hit the tip of the iceberg. russia had been researching the technology since the sixties, and its only now that someone feilds it on a ssk.
quite frankly, if considerable progress was made, then why isnt it feilded? becasuse there obviously are dozens more hurdles.not even the history channel promotes this tech, which means the u.s must not have a good grasp on it yet.
its only since china started feilding the technology did the u.s programm start to get som momentum
i said the 93 will outperform all western all western submarines in speed and engine efficiency, not noise level
DOE, despite all its progress, has only hit the tip of the iceberg. russia had been researching the technology since the sixties, and its only now that someone feilds it on a ssk.
quite frankly, if considerable progress was made, then why isnt it feilded? becasuse there obviously are dozens more hurdles.not even the history channel promotes this tech, which means the u.s must not have a good grasp on it yet.
its only since china started feilding the technology did the u.s programm start to get som momentum
MIGleader said:
There is nothing that indicates that China has mastered the technology themselves. And there is still no real evidence that they will deploy with an HTGR. The US has apparently been working with this technology before China even started any modernization efforts. Just because the US hasn't fielded it in subs doesn't mean they can't. In fact, the USA fielded liquid-metal reactors before Russia, and decided they had more drawbacks than their speed advantages gave them. The Soviets came to the same conclusion later. US DOE has this HTGR technology working...right now. But still, USN nuclear subs still see better 'advantages' in their water-cooled/natural circulation designs. China's doing nothing new here that the USA hasn't done 20 years or more ago.
I guess we will have to see whether the rumour about HTGR turns out to be true or not. For China's sake, I hope it is true. The problem with China's system is that it's so secretive (duh!) and strategic weapons like 093 is even more secretive.