PLAN Supersonic Anti-Ship Missiles

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vincelee

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one thing people NEVER mention is that the Sunburn is VERY sensitive to jamming.

The reason is that it does not have enough onboard processing power to actually prioritize targets, thus it MUST send data back to the launching platform for discrimination. (the YJ series, benefitting from China's relatively strong semi conductor and electronics industry, is totally close looped at Terminal) Perhaps this is changed in the newest "improved" Moskit, but I've actually never read anything to that extent.

As for actually acquiring a target for OTH attack, it's actually NOT that hard, considering ALL chinese AShMs are active guided in terminal stage, and all you really need to do is to use a surface search Y-8 with a 300-400km search ranger to give a projected target area.

What the Chinese really lacks is not surface or air firepower, but ASW prowess.

anyway, SS-N-22 is actually NOT a carrier killer, the P-500/700 family is the designated primary weapon against a carrier.
 
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vincelee said:
one thing people NEVER mention is that the Sunburn is VERY sensitive to jamming.

The reason is that it does not have enough onboard processing power to actually prioritize targets, thus it MUST send data back to the launching platform for discrimination. (the YJ series, benefitting from China's relatively strong semi conductor and electronics industry, is totally close looped at Terminal) Perhaps this is changed in the newest "improved" Moskit, but I've actually never read anything to that extent.

As for actually acquiring a target for OTH attack, it's actually NOT that hard, considering ALL chinese AShMs are active guided in terminal stage, and all you really need to do is to use a surface search Y-8 with a 300-400km search ranger to give a projected target area.

What the Chinese really lacks is not surface or air firepower, but ASW prowess.

anyway, SS-N-22 is actually NOT a carrier killer, the P-500/700 family is the designated primary weapon against a carrier.
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Interesting.

This makes me wonder: Is the PLAN interesting in purchasing Oscar II SSGNs, armed with just that: Shipwrecks?
 
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So it all boils down to the Russians not beeing willing to sell the Oscar II?

China must have some interest in a SSGN like that, as they would most likely be among the best weapons to counter US CBGs. Will any of the upcoming Chinese sub classses have a performance similar to the Oscar II?
 
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vincelee said:
isn't that against the rules?

Besides, the Russians see the P-700 as one of their LAST trump cards.
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Correct, these missiles is the main weapon of their high value units the Kirov and the Kuznetsov. I beleive the Kirov carries 20 of these. A volley usually involves 4 missiles that are connected with data links, 1 missile flies high and scans for targets, the rest stays low. If that high flying one gets shot down, another will take its place.
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I don't think Russia is selling their Oscar II subs. The PLAN SSN's in the pipeline is nowhere near the anti-surface capability of the OSCAR IIs. Oscar II's carry 24 Shipwreck missiles.
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To date, no photographs are published for these missiles. So it is safe to assume that the Russians are not selling these to anyone.

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Gollevainen

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To date, no photographs are published for these missiles. So it is safe to assume that the Russians are not selling these to anyone.
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what missile do you mean? Granit? Vulkan?

here's few about Granit....
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submarine launched version
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yeah, the Russians even said that they would not export to China any missile that has a 300km+ range. So, Club and the enhanced moskit is all China is getting. I suppose the domestic version of YJ-62 is sort of like China's shipwreck.

As for Oscar, I remember reading that China was interested in it and then showed it to China and that's how Kursk got in the accident?
 
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darth sidious

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Gollevainen

the vulkan never reely toke off and no such missile are in service china should reely pay the russians to finish it

tphuang

yes china is using the Yj-62 as its best ship killer right and because of that wew reely dont know jack about it some say it will be moiunted on the 093
 
MIGleader

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and oscar II costs a billion dollars per unit, not including the weapons. i even wonder where the russians got the money to build minsk.

so no. china would not spend a billion dollars one ship which which runs the risk of sinking due to a faulty torpedo tube gas.
 
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