PLAN Supersonic Anti-Ship Missiles

chernoble is what convinced russia to not use the technology. by the tume they started again, the ussr was gone. i dont see any u.s nuclear powerplant feilding the technology. china has had 40 years of experience. the russian scietists were paid to work for china and teach chinese scientists, so all their knowledge is transferred.

its not fuzzy!! what pic are you talking about?
we all know chinas secretive style. j-10 had almost no real pics prior to 2004, but look at its pics now!!

Sea Dog said:

The US noted better noise levels in russian subs immediately after the spy ring was found out. It's easy to draw the conclusions here. Reactor technology is something that the USA has outclassed the Russians in for a long time. Hello Chernobyl. Right now, the USA has HTGR's and various other reacotr designs. And the DOE has an established track record of over 20 years here on HTGR's. China does not. Russia has had documented reactor problems. America's have been minor by comparison. China's reliant on technology from foreign sources here. America is ahead here for sure. The Germans probably lead the world, but it's looking like America is not far behind.

I've seen that picture and you can't ascertain anything from it. It's fuzzy and could likely be purposely blurred and photoshopped. Not the realimagery you see of Virginia, Seawolf, Trafalgar.
If you can't show it, you can't brag about it.

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There is a difference bewten water cooled reactor and gas coole dones

as for Russian reactor problem if your are talking about the VM-1A here is a surpise its copyed from AMERICA in 1955

Chernobyl dont have anything to do with reactor on subs. it failed because of poor maintiance and crew training

as for liquid cooled metal reactor AMERICA has its share of problem as well

you reely cant discrebit Russian research just because of old accidents

as for he noise rreduction its because of of a tushiba milling machine the japanese sold


and no china is not relient on forgein tech when its comes to nuclear reactor
read more before posting

MIGleader said:

chernoble is what convinced russia to not use the technology. by the tume they started again, the ussr was gone. i dont see any u.s nuclear powerplant feilding the technology. china has had 40 years of experience. the russian scietists were paid to work for china and teach chinese scientists, so all their knowledge is transferred.

its not fuzzy!! what pic are you talking about?
we all know chinas secretive style. j-10 had almost no real pics prior to 2004, but look at its pics now!!

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hmm. post alink for the picture, please. I may be thinking of another "093" picture.

China has 40 years of experience in what? Nuclear reactors? Big deal. America's had much more experience than that(So do the Europeans and Russians), and the US DOE has an established/documented track record in HTGR technology spanning at least a couple of decades. I've just read how China is in a working group on HTGR(in IAEA)......and the USA is a leading part of this group. Hello. And America's reactor technology has consistently outpaced the Russians. So being dependant on Russian assistance for their technology doesn't prove that China's ahead in anything. Where is China's HTGR located? Do they have any working models or even technology demonstrators? The USA has em'.

Edited to add: OK Rommel. I'll stop posting on this at this point, unless we talk missiles.

coolieno99 said:

Germany is the acknowledged leader in HTGR. China's HTGR is based on the German design. China is currently in the process of building 2nd generation 100 MW HTGR. China's 1st generation 10 MW HTGR has already passed the critical "thermal runaway meltdown" test. HTGR has 2 advantages over conventional reactor in 1. higher thermodynamic efficiency-more power, 2. almost impossible for a Chernobyl type accident(nuclear meltdown) to occurred. If the 2nd generation 100 MW works out well, then China will probably build all or at least most of her commercial nuclear power plants based on HTGR technology. As far as military application is concerned, HTGR looks mighty good in a sub ...:coffee:

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sea dog I suggest you follow up on this post before discrediting china in this its research

the first generation HTGR is completed in 1996 construction begine in early 90s

its china who is proven not america

Sorry, I had to edit that part out, it might have incited more retaliation.

but back on topic...
what is the potential of an oscar II and granit?
i actually found a new weapon to equip the oscar: the ss-n-16a atallion rocket propelled torpedo. it can travel at very fast speed (230 mph) and can fly 200 km, then come down and hit an enemy sub. i think the sea wolf has been out gunned(do NOT reply ot this comment!!)

of course, the weapon creates potential for onboard fire, and must be very expensive. so should the plan give this baby a go?

I actually think the PLAN is going to get a KLUB-version of SUBROC. I'm not sure of the ranges of the rocket or the torpedo. But I know that the Stallion is not a 200Km. From what I've read it's closer to 100Km..I think. It might be the 54 Km Subroc. I'll check later on this. But I still don't know if they'd be of any utility against a modern day SSN which are harder to find and then localize as a ASW target. The caveat to that is if you have really effective datalinks. Then yes, even Seawolf would have trouble. But once you launch it, everyone knows where you are. That's why the USN lost interest in SUBROCS. The working USN submarine doctrine is to remain silent through all phases of operations, including the attack phase. SUBROC betrays your presence. But nevertheless, I read PLAN is seeking the Klub-version.

As far as the HTGR, America's research begin's before 1990's. America has much more time spent on HTGR technology and other reactor feasibility studies than China. That's a fact. Deal with it. BTW, where is China's HTGR reactor or even technology demonstrators? If they have one, great. I'd just like to know where it is. America has theirs at Idaho and Oak Ridge Labratories.

And Migleader, I'd really be interested in that 093 picture if you can remember a link.

sea dog reading what we posted before might help!!!!!!!!!

the chinese have 2 working reactor already they have been there scince the mide 90s

2 generation is already under construction NO they are not behind compare to the US

your country bashing is quite pathetic !!!!! Read what we post before replying

TO MIG

the oscar and granite is deadly aginst a carrier 500km range is and three mach speed makes a huge threat to the americans especialy is usd toughter with the backfire

china reely should pay the ruassian to finsih the vulkan

darth sidious said:

sea dog reading what we posted before might help!!!!!!!!!

the chinese have 2 working reactor already they have been there scince the mide 90s

2 generation is already under construction NO they are not behind compare to the US

your country bashing is quite pathetic !!!!! Read what we post before replying

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Where are they? Name the place where they are located. I'm just curious where they're at. At any rate, this is getting old. The USA DOE began their work in this area long before China, and has much more experience in reactor design and control. Years before "the mid-nineties", the USA was working with this stuff (HTGR in the USA/Europe in the 1980's). That's not country bashing, that's the truth....deal with it.

How about we talk missiles, like Rommel prompted us to do.

Getting back on topic, yes.....the SS-N-16 has a 100Km range according to Novator design Bureau in Russia.

Further analysis shows the Klub version of SUBROC (91RE1) at 50 Km. It give less range but just as good accuracy as the Stallions.

sea dog, we can continue the off topic discussion elsewhere. a reactor is in sichuan

i said ss-n-16a, not ss-n-16. the A model has a 200 miles range