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Does the PLA already have this in place? Or is delaying or disrupting such a system being deployed why the US has gone into overdrive against China in the SCS?

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China proposes 'Underwater Great Wall' that could erode US, Russian submarine advantages
Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC- IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
17 May 2016

The China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) has proposed the construction of a network of ship and subsurface sensors that could significantly erode the undersea warfare advantage held by US and Russian submarines and contribute greatly to future Chinese ability to control the South China Sea (SCS).

Details of the network of sensors, called the 'Underwater Great Wall Project', were revealed in a CSSC booth at a public exhibition in China in late 2015. A translated copy of the descriptions was obtained byIHS Jane'sfrom a government official. The text was confirmed by a source from a second government on condition of anonymity.

While some elements of this network have been known for some time, CSSC is now in effect proposing an improved Chinese version of the Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS) that for a time gave the US a significant advantage in countering Soviet submarines during the Cold War. The system proposed by CSSC is likely being obtained by China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) but may also be offered for export.

CSSC says that, among other things, its objective is to provide customers with "a package solution in terms of underwater environment monitoring and collection, real-time location, tracing of surface and underwater targets, warning of seaquakes, tsunamis, and other disasters as well as marine scientific research".

The corporation says in the document that its "R&D and production bases in Beijing and Wuxi [have] the ability to support the whole industry chain covering fundamental research, key technology development, solution design, overall system integration, core equipment development, production, and operation service support".

The shipbuilding conglomerate says it has 10 series of products on offer that include systems relating to marine observation, oceanographic instrumentation, underwater robotics, and ship support.

Specific components of CSSC's surveillance system include surface ships, sonar systems, underwater security equipment, marine oil and gas exploration equipment, underwater unmanned equipment, and marine instrument electronic equipment.

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ahojunk

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antiterror13 said:
Hi Ahojunk ... when do you think China would start massive reclamation project in Paracel ... I firmly believe it is already planned. I'd expect it would significantly be easier than Spratly ... also much less tension ... perhaps only Vietnam would complain
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I wouldn't say there is "massive reclamation" happening in the Paracel.

However, there is some reclamation occurring on Yongxing Island, the seat of Sansha City. See the pictures below.

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This was dated yesterday. Look carefully and you can see the "hammer like" structure on the north side of the island.

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In this chrome view, the new reclamation can be seen clearly.

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Approximately 3 weeks ago, on April 25, there was nothing. But the "hammer like" extension is seen on May 17, 2016.
 
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nfgc

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solarz said:
To put things in perspective, the South China Sea is home to hundreds of islands and reefs. The Spratlys alone have over 100 reefs. China has so far built 4 artificial islands.
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Thus China is not responsible. The age old theme.

solarz said:
Rampant and illegal fishing, by fishermen of all nationalities, are a far graver environmental threat to the region. Hopefully, a stronger law enforcement presence will help protect the natural environment and resources of the SCS.
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Someone else over the past 10,000 years did something as bad, therefore China is not responsible.

The worlds largest artificial reef is 2000 meters long and 20 meters wide off the Yucatan. China has built none as of yet, so the net loss is -3500 acres of pristine virgin coral reef and counting.

Killing the reef so it can be saved, seems wise.
 
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solarz

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nfgc said:
Thus China is not responsible. The age old theme.

Someone else over the past 10,000 years did something as bad, therefore China is not responsible.

The worlds largest artificial reef is 2000 meters long and 20 meters wide off the Yucatan. China has built none as of yet, so the net loss is -3500 acres of pristine virgin coral reef and counting.

Killing the reef so it can be saved, seems wise.
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No, what I'm simply saying is that what China is doing is akin to building a few observatories in a forest. Does it entail cutting down trees? Yes, of course. Will it destroy the forest? Not at all.
 
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Yvrch

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nfgc said:
Thus China is not responsible. The age old theme.



Someone else over the past 10,000 years did something as bad, therefore China is not responsible.

The worlds largest artificial reef is 2000 meters long and 20 meters wide off the Yucatan. China has built none as of yet, so the net loss is -3500 acres of pristine virgin coral reef and counting.

Killing the reef so it can be saved, seems wise.
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All around Hainan, Xisha,Nansha, Reed Bank etc in SCS are full of coral rocks thousands of meters thick formed since about 30 million years ago. SCS is a natural habitat for coral. They will naturally grow back.

What China has done is for human habitat, people can actually live and thrive on it, in stark contrast to what US had done to Johnston Atoll. I didn't hear you complain about what was done on Johnston's coral reef.

There are so many research done by Chinese geologists in SCS over many decades you can easily find them online. Below is a sample.

Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

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Equation

Lieutenant General
ahojunk said:
A pretty picture of the night scene of Chigua Island.

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This was dated around May 16, 2016. What a pretty sight!
It looks like a busy little town.

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Meanwhile, about 5 km to the north is the Vietnamese outpost on Collins reef.
The soldiers there must have a feeling of envy!
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OMG....China should just open one small casino and those Vietnamese soldiers would leave their small garrison post in a heart beat.:D:p
 
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