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joshuatree
Captain
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
Probably a fishing village so you can claim EEZ rights but nothing like that pic which isn't sustainable. Notice the runway doesn't even have proper facilities for commercial jets of those size.
Do you think they will keep the woody island purely military or they will establish some sort of settlement on it, like the imagined pic shown below:
Probably a fishing village so you can claim EEZ rights but nothing like that pic which isn't sustainable. Notice the runway doesn't even have proper facilities for commercial jets of those size.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
There is no need to establish a fishing community to claim EEZ rights, hell, the islands doesn't even have to be inhabited or even habitable, it only needs to remain above the water at all times to qualify as an island, and ownership of the island would grant EEZ to the surrounding waters.
I however doubt that they would open the island up to the public anytime soon. It is too small an island to set asside anywhere near enough space to allow for a civilian presence and still maintain operational security for a military base. It would be too small to offer tourists much to do or see other than gawp at the military stuff.
The most access civilians would get to it is maybe as a safe heaven during a storm, or as a drop off point for rescued crew from a nearby shipwreck or sth along similar lines. I doubt they would even allow fishing boats to dock for resupply in any case other than an emergency. Even then the civvies will prob just be ordered to drop anchor outside the harbor and a military boat would come to them with whatever emergency supplies they might need.
There is no need to establish a fishing community to claim EEZ rights, hell, the islands doesn't even have to be inhabited or even habitable, it only needs to remain above the water at all times to qualify as an island, and ownership of the island would grant EEZ to the surrounding waters.
I however doubt that they would open the island up to the public anytime soon. It is too small an island to set asside anywhere near enough space to allow for a civilian presence and still maintain operational security for a military base. It would be too small to offer tourists much to do or see other than gawp at the military stuff.
The most access civilians would get to it is maybe as a safe heaven during a storm, or as a drop off point for rescued crew from a nearby shipwreck or sth along similar lines. I doubt they would even allow fishing boats to dock for resupply in any case other than an emergency. Even then the civvies will prob just be ordered to drop anchor outside the harbor and a military boat would come to them with whatever emergency supplies they might need.
joshuatree
Captain
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
According to Article 121 in UNCLOS, you need to sustain human habitation and economic life to be eligible of an EEZ for an island. Best bet would be a small fishing community on one side of the island to qualify sustained economic life. In light of the shallow areas, maybe aquaculture would be ideal.
Article121
Regime of islands
1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.
2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.
3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.
Actually rereading it, it does list human habitation or economic life. But not knowing how human habitation is defined by UNCLOS, I would definitely still endorse a form of economic life to make the argument fool proof.
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According to Article 121 in UNCLOS, you need to sustain human habitation and economic life to be eligible of an EEZ for an island. Best bet would be a small fishing community on one side of the island to qualify sustained economic life. In light of the shallow areas, maybe aquaculture would be ideal.
Article121
Regime of islands
1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.
2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.
3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.
Actually rereading it, it does list human habitation or economic life. But not knowing how human habitation is defined by UNCLOS, I would definitely still endorse a form of economic life to make the argument fool proof.
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Geographer
Junior Member
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
Are you saying the island currently has no civilian population? I thought it had a sizable fishing community plus administrative staff and meteorologists. On the other hand, I don't see many boats, just four in the the old harbor near the south end of the runway.
solarz
Brigadier
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
The best would actually be a small resort, maybe for the rich and famous. You'd have human habitation and economic life in one go.
The best would actually be a small resort, maybe for the rich and famous. You'd have human habitation and economic life in one go.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
Well, I never heard of there being a civilian population on Woody Island, but on investigation, it would appear that there is indeed a civilian presence there, mainly fishermen, with an army post and even museums.
Came across this during my research which may help to explain some of the recent construction there.
Well, I never heard of there being a civilian population on Woody Island, but on investigation, it would appear that there is indeed a civilian presence there, mainly fishermen, with an army post and even museums.
Came across this during my research which may help to explain some of the recent construction there.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: New base for the Type 094 subs?
I think you might have the wrong emphasis on point 3. The Diaoyu islands are uninhabited excepted for some wild goats, yet no one disputes that they would grant the owners an EEZ, the dispute is on who actually owns the islands. Same thing with Scarborough Shoal, only there aren't even goats there.
I think the 3rd point is a definition of what would be considered a rock, as opposed to an island. An island would grant EEZ status to the owning country regardless of whether it is inhabited of not, whereas a rock that "cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf".
I think you might have the wrong emphasis on point 3. The Diaoyu islands are uninhabited excepted for some wild goats, yet no one disputes that they would grant the owners an EEZ, the dispute is on who actually owns the islands. Same thing with Scarborough Shoal, only there aren't even goats there.
I think the 3rd point is a definition of what would be considered a rock, as opposed to an island. An island would grant EEZ status to the owning country regardless of whether it is inhabited of not, whereas a rock that "cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf".
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