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bd popeye

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Other photos clearly show their sailors decently decked out with kit, so I think urgency in these pictures may have also prompted the sailors to forfeit the extra safety equipment, which they should obviously rectify.

So cost + regulation to a lesser degree.

Yes in the other photos the sailors have life vest. But no helmets. That simply is not safe.

And..who's directing that aircraft? Perhaps the PLAN is using the Russian Pri-Fly method where the director sits in a booth adjacent to the flight deck.

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bd popeye

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More photos of the same event. Excellent pix! I'd like to see photos like these regulary from CV-16!!

March 17, China Lake replenishment ship is seen re-fueling supplying fresh water and fresh food supply. PLAN ships Haikou DDG (171) Mianyang FFG (528) & Jinggang Shan (LPD 999) were replenished. Feng photo agency issued Daizong

Question.. I've asked this before. I don't feel I got a satisfactory answer.. why do the ships need fresh water? Don't they have evaporators that turn sea water into fresh water? All USN ships perform this task. All of them. Everyday. Just asking.

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More photos of the same event. Excellent pix! I'd like to see photos like these regulary from CV-16!!



Question.. I've asked this before. I don't feel I got a satisfactory answer.. why do the ships need fresh water? Don't they have evaporators that turn sea water into fresh water? All USN ships perform this task. All of them. Everyday. Just asking.

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In none of the pictures that you posted are the sailors transporting fresh water between ships. Obviously we all know recent build PLAN ships have desalination plants, and older Jiangweis have been refit with them too (considering they've gone to aden for anti piracy missions).


Of course, some pictures have shown PLAN sailors transporting boxes of bottled water between ships. I imagine bottled spring water tastes better than desalination plant water. Doesn't mean they can't drink desalinated water, or that they aren't (for instance, maybe only COs get bottled water, who knows)
 

plawolf

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Could be a variety of reasons why they would bring on fresh water, with costs and efficiency likely to be the main reasons.

The individual warships will have desalination plants, but those cost money to run, so for short duration missions, the PLAN may have opted to not run them and just pump fresh water, via hoses, from replenish ships during UNREP instead. Saves money and also acts as a training opportunity.

It could also be that the replenish ship has newer/bigger and more efficient desalination plants compared to the warships, so the cost of desalination per unit of water is much lower, so rather have all the ships run their own plants, the replenish ship runs its and then supplies the rest of the fleet.

I imagine this will be something the PLAN will do in reverse once they have nuclear carriers, whereby the carrier will supply replenish ships with fresh water, who would then top up the escorts, or the carrier could resupply the escorts directly.

Now, I have only been mentioning costs, but that is not just the PLAN being cheap. Because in practical operational terms, when the fleet is out at sea, the cost savings I have mentioned would be seen most directly in fuel savings since that is what the ships would be burning to run their desalination plants. Thus, cost saves equals fuel savings, and that can have a big, direct impact on the endurance, range and combat effectiveness of a fleet.

Remember, logistics are just as important in winning wars as bullets and bombs, and if you can make your resources last longer, that gives you an advantage in battle.
 

bd popeye

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Thanks gents for your responses.

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In none of the pictures that you posted are the sailors transporting fresh water between ships. Obviously we all know recent build PLAN ships have desalination plants, and older Jiangweis have been refit with them too (considering they've gone to aden for anti piracy missions).

Of course, some pictures have shown PLAN sailors transporting boxes of bottled water between ships. I imagine bottled spring water tastes better than desalination plant water. Doesn't mean they can't drink desalinated water, or that they aren't (for instance, maybe only COs get bottled water, who knows)

Bltizo. Thanks for your comments. The original Chinese captions mention water and this photo IMO shows water being transfered.

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3月17日,中国海军千岛湖舰抵达任务海区,与执行搜救马航失联航班任务的海口舰、绵阳舰等舰艇汇合,并立即实施燃油、淡水和副食补给,为后续的搜救行动提供有力的后勤物资保障。中新社发 代宗锋 摄

SYSTRAN translation;

On March 17, the Chinese Navy Qiandao Lake ship arrived in the duty sea area, searched and rescued Malaysia Airlines to lose United Airlines class the duty Haikou ship, Mianyang ship and other naval vessel convergence with the execution, and immediately implemented the fuel oil, fresh water and non-staple food supplies, provided the powerful logistical materials safeguard for the following rescue operation. CNA sends for Zong Feng
 

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近日,中国建造的最新型驱逐舰052D型的首舰刷涂舷号的消息引起不小轰动。172的舷号意味着首艘052D导弹驱逐舰将会加入我国南海舰队,成为我南海舰队的第三艘“中华神盾”导弹驱逐舰,此前,两艘052C型导弹驱逐舰分别以舷号170、171加入南海舰队。(HSH论坛 热血老年 供图)

Recently, the latest destroyer 052D first ship of Chinese construction brushed Tu Xianhao the news to cause is not small causes a stir. 172 side numbers mean that the first 052D missile destroyer will join the Nanhai Fleet, becomes third of my Nanhai Fleet "the Chinese aegis" missile destroyer, before this, two 052C missile destroyers respectively 170 and 171 join the Nanhai Fleet with the side number.

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Equation

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Could be a variety of reasons why they would bring on fresh water, with costs and efficiency likely to be the main reasons.

The individual warships will have desalination plants, but those cost money to run, so for short duration missions, the PLAN may have opted to not run them and just pump fresh water, via hoses, from replenish ships during UNREP instead. Saves money and also acts as a training opportunity.

It could also be that the replenish ship has newer/bigger and more efficient desalination plants compared to the warships, so the cost of desalination per unit of water is much lower, so rather have all the ships run their own plants, the replenish ship runs its and then supplies the rest of the fleet.

I imagine this will be something the PLAN will do in reverse once they have nuclear carriers, whereby the carrier will supply replenish ships with fresh water, who would then top up the escorts, or the carrier could resupply the escorts directly.

Now, I have only been mentioning costs, but that is not just the PLAN being cheap. Because in practical operational terms, when the fleet is out at sea, the cost savings I have mentioned would be seen most directly in fuel savings since that is what the ships would be burning to run their desalination plants. Thus, cost saves equals fuel savings, and that can have a big, direct impact on the endurance, range and combat effectiveness of a fleet.

Remember, logistics are just as important in winning wars as bullets and bombs, and if you can make your resources last longer, that gives you an advantage in battle.

But it's just..water...how cheap can the PLAN be?:confused:
 

asif iqbal

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I love seeing replenishment at sea picture of PLAN they are so cool!

About the water the desalinated water is used for washing and cleaning equipment etc etc the drinking water is bottled

The average person can't drink desalinated water you get on ships it's really bad taste
 

bd popeye

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Read what the Old Salt has to say. Trust me.. I know of what I'm posting about.

The average person can't drink desalinated water you get on ships it's really bad taste

Not true aboard USN ships. If sea water is properly distilled you cannot tell the difference. It taste as well as bottled water...most of the time. An Nimitz class makes 400,000 gallons of water ever 24 hours. For everything from catapults, taking a shower,cooking, drinking , medical needs and washing aircraft etc..etc..etc......100% Sea water is used for the toilets and fire mains.

Now, I have only been mentioning costs, but that is not just the PLAN being cheap. Because in practical operational terms, when the fleet is out at sea, the cost savings I have mentioned would be seen most directly in fuel savings since that is what the ships would be burning to run their desalination plants. Thus, cost saves equals fuel savings, and that can have a big, direct impact on the endurance, range and combat effectiveness of a fleet.

Those evaps need to be running otherwise when the ship needs them they will not work at 100% capacity.. Many navies run them 24/7/365. That's what they are for... making fresh water. And they do a great job.

Remember, logistics are just as important in winning wars as bullets and bombs, and if you can make your resources last longer, that gives you an advantage in battle.

100% correct. If your logistics house is not in order your mission will fail. Period.
 
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asif iqbal

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Your the sailor popeye if you it's good enough is good enough

My experience with desalinated water is from Qatar, Dubai and Abu Dhabi it comes from these huge desalination plants sucking up water from sea it's horrible to skin the hair and tastes crap but then again I am use to highland spring the best Scottish water there is!

Maybe warships add additives to the water to make it taste better
 
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