PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

asif iqbal said:

The camo on those LCS look like they are made of stone or concrete!

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no_name said:

May not be a bad choice if they operate in areas where shorelines can be seen.

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Jeff Head said:

Some more great pics of RIMPAC 2014 from

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US Navy LCS-2, USS Independence conducts maneuvering exercises with Chinese DDG-171, Haikou at RIMAC 2014.

Two Independence class LCS vessels, LCS-2, USS Independence, and LCS-4, USS Coronado are participating in RIMPAC 2014.
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its not true camouflage. The grey coloration of most of the worlds navies is based around trying to fade into a hazy day. If you look at the first picture I quoted from Jeff you can see two ships the US LCS in the foreground and the Chinese DDG171 in the background. The Chinese ship has a slightly better grey. Its closer to the haze of that part of the pacific. But the Chinese have a slight edge in that they specialize. They only really need to have there ships operate near China. The USN by contrast operates on a true global scale and as such although they use grays... Missed opportunity for a ET joke.
the USNs colors are not likely to work as well every time of year or point in the ocean. Perhaps by the end of the 2020s we will see smart paints on USN ships that will shift the grey to better match her surroundings. But today the USN indeed... All navies tailor there choice of grey usually based on the haze of there home waters. The haze grey of the US LCS might work better closer to Hawaii or in the north Atlantic.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

the USNs colors are not likely to work as well every time of year or point in the ocean. Perhaps by the end of the 2020s we will see smart paints on USN ships that will shift the grey to better match her surroundings. But today the USN indeed... All navies tailor there choice of grey usually based on the haze of there home waters. The haze grey of the US LCS might work better closer to Hawaii or in the north Atlantic.

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During WW2 I believe some nations selected camo paint schemes on their warships. The IJN ships utilized a very dark color.

Let's not be hypercritical. Any military or navy worth its salt would be very curious to know the strengths and weaknesses of the other forces, whether friendly or potential adversaries. Sun Tzu's dictum: "Know your enemy, know yourself, a hundred battles, a hundred victories". This dictum applies to Chinese, Japanese, Americans, Russians, European, Arabs, Israelis et al. Let's stop being naive or pretend to be one.

shen said:

That's not true. Most countries with weak navy assert that spying does require the consent of the littoral state. While strong countries such as the US assert that spying falls under peaceful activity which is not defined by UNCLOS. US is not even a signatory of UNCLOS btw.

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SamuraiBlue said:

During WW2 I believe some nations selected camo paint schemes on their warships. The IJN ships utilized a very dark color.

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including the US. At that time though the primary means of targeting was visually. Radar was still to primitive and not a integral part of navy ships.
dazzleflauge outrageous patterns that look more like modern art then camouflage were used quite widely. The USS Enterprise CV6 the last of the Yorktown class Carriers for example wore a camouflaged pattern in the last phase of the war. She was unique in the pattern as all the other Yorktowns had been sunk and the newer Essex class were coming online.

The IJN had some emphasis on night fighting with battleships, but not as useful after radar becomes more widely available on US counterparts.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

USNs colors are not likely to work as well every time of year or point in the ocean. Perhaps by the end of the 2020s we will see smart paints on USN ships that will shift the grey to better match her surroundings. But today the USN indeed... All navies tailor there choice of grey usually based on the haze of there home waters. The haze grey of the US LCS might work better closer to Hawaii or in the north Atlantic.

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For the LCS, the US Navy has been testing out a new camo pattern for the Freedom Class while LCS-1, USS Freedom, was deployed into the western Pacific.


Whether they will expand that program or not, I cannot say.

But all of this regarding US Navy camo patterns, the IJN camo, etc. is all off topic. As is comparing US, Japanese, and Chinese intelligence gathering in the ECS or SCS, and who is "hypocritcal" or not.

Let's get back on topic.

Couple of nice videos from RIMPAC 2014. 1st a number of vessels arriving at Pearl.


Then a bunch of vessels departing Pearl for the at-sea portion of the exercises.

...and here's an official CCTV video about RIMPAC 2014

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Highlights of Chinese navy in RIMPAC drill....English.news.cn | 07.22.2014| Editor: Yang Yi

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PACIFIC OCEAN (July, 17, 2014) U.S. Navy Sailors assigned to the visit, board, search and seizure detachment four, the Four Horsemen, from the littoral combat ship USS Independence (LCS 2) perform a compliant boarding aboard the People's Liberation Army Navy frigate Yueyang (FF 575) during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. Twenty-two nations, 49 ships, six submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel are participating in RIMPAC from June 26 to Aug. 1 in and around the Hawaiian Islands and Southern California. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Corey T. Jones/Released)

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PACIFIC OCEAN (July 18, 2014) Medical personnel from the People's Republic of China, People's Liberation Army Navy hospital ship Peace Ark (T-AH 866) and the Military Sealift Command hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH 19) board an MH-60S Sea Hawk helicopter to return to Peace Ark after participating in a personnel exchange with Mercy. Both ships are participating in Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Pyoung K. Yi/Released)

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KANEOHE BAY (July 17, 2014) A U.S. Navy explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) technician assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit (EODMU) 3 jumps out of a U.S. Army UH-60L Black Hawk helicopter assigned to 2nd Squadron, 6th Cavalry Regiment, 25th Combat Aviation Brigade, 25th Infantry Division, as part of a multinational helicopter-insertion familiarization during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Christopher D. Blachly/Released)

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PACIFIC OCEAN (July 15, 2014) Sailors from the People's Republic of China, People's Liberation Army Navy ship Yueyang (FF 575) board the guided-missile cruiser USS Port Royal (CG 73) to perform a visit, board, search and seizure drill during Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014.(U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Tiarra Fulgham/Released)

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PACIFIC OCEAN (July 21, 2014) Adm. Harry Harris Jr., commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet, observes cockpit operations during an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance flight aboard a P-8A Poseidon as part of exercise Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2014. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class David Kolmel/Released)

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PEARL HARBOR (July 14, 2014) Cmdr. Joseph Gagliano, left, commanding officer of the littoral combat ship USS Independence (LCS 2), hosts Rear Adm. Stuart Mayer, commander of the Australian Fleet, during his visit to Independence as part of Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. (Royal Australian Navy photo by Able Seaman Imagery Specialist Chantell Bianchi/Released)

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PEARL HARBOR (July 14, 2014) Cmdr. Joseph Gagliano, center right, commanding officer of the littoral combat ship USS Independence (LCS 2), gives a tour of the bridge to Rear Adm. Stuart Mayer, commander Australian Fleet, as part of Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. (Royal Australian Navy photo by Able Seaman Imagery Specialist Chantell Bianchi/Released)

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PACIFIC OCEAN (July 18, 2014) Hospital Corpsman 1st Class Joseph Lanyon, left, and Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Laura Schenderlein bandage a mock patient's head wound during a medical response team training exercise aboard the Military Sealift Command hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH 19) while underway for Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. Twenty-two nations, 49 ships and submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel are participating in RIMPAC exercise from June 26 to Aug. 1, in and around the California coast and Hawaiian Islands. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Justin W. Galvin/Released)

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PEARL HARBOR (July 17, 2014) U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard divers arrive at the USS Arizona Memorial during integration dive training as part of the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) Exercise 2014. Twenty-four divers from the Royal Australian Navy, the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard shared equipment and dive knowledge during the coalition and joint exercise. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Christopher Hubenthal/Released)

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