PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

Janiz said:

That's the most important part. Is it usual for a nation participating in international exercises in which it takes part itself?

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As I said, it may not be the most wise thing to do with an exercise that you have been invited to attend for the first time...but there are also parts of the exercises that the PLAN is not a part of, particularly the very involved naval warfighting exercises conducted between the US and its allies. So it is also not too unexpected.

The PLAN is involved in maritime security and anti-piracy exercises with its FFG and DDG, with its AOR helping. Its hospital ship is involved in humanitarian and medical exercises. So they may want to try and gather some signals and communication intelligence on the other exercises if they can.

Some more great pics of RIMPAC 2014 from

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The camo on those LCS look like they are made of stone or concrete!

May not be a bad choice if they operate in areas where shorelines can be seen.

[video=youtube;Iu_M7xN_d0Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_M7xN_d0Q[/video]

some footages from the exercise.

usaf0314 said:

[video=youtube;Iu_M7xN_d0Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_M7xN_d0Q[/video]

some footages from the exercise.

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At sea something as simple as deploying a RHIB can end up in a deadly situation only takes one mistake see how they are lowering the RHIB into the water the way they are doing it and then as they approached the Tico and then back to the Chinese ship the lift crane then picks them up this is all vital training that China has learnt from those anti piracy missions they are so important in teaching China how to operate in the high seas small things big things they look good well done

There's still so much more to learn when you are on the sea you have no land base your out there on your own

And it's good to see the Type 903 used for other operations than replenishment it's a command and control sized ship and a large deck and is vital for sea operations

Geographer said:

Territorial waters are 12 nm from shore and the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) extends 200 nm. This implies China is spying inside the United States' EEZ. China specifically criticized the USN for doing this a few years ago! China says foreign navies have no right to conduct espionage operations in an EEZ.

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So is China being hypocritical--saying one thing but doing another?

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I think the Chinese position is not that spying inside EEZ is inherently illegal, rather that foreign military activities inside EEZ is subject to regulation. Whether US choose to regulate spying in its EEZ is its own business.

shen said:

I think the Chinese position is not that spying inside EEZ is inherently illegal, rather that foreign military activities inside EEZ is subject to regulation. Whether US choose to regulate spying in its EEZ is its own business.

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Which runs contrary to just about how everyone else in the world views the subject. The good news is as more and more Chinese spy assets fan out, it should quietly come around to global norms.

I think you already made up your mind on that already. It seems like when you are asking that question, you seem to be be just trying to get other people to agree with you that China is behaving badly here.

In general, I would say China publicly protests anything that it deems not to be in its favour and that it cannot do anything about. But if it has the choice to do the same thing in opposite direction, it would. And let's just leave the hypocrisy debate at that.

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It sounds like you agree that China is acting hypocritically--saying USN spying in China's EEZ violates the Law of the Sea while spying in America's EEZ. Do you agree?

Blackstone said:

Which runs contrary to just about how everyone else in the world views the subject. The good news is as more and more Chinese spy assets fan out, it should quietly come around to global norms.

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That's not true. Most countries with weak navy assert that spying does require the consent of the littoral state. While strong countries such as the US assert that spying falls under peaceful activity which is not defined by UNCLOS. US is not even a signatory of UNCLOS btw.