PLAN Current Vessel Inventory Thread

[joshuatree]

Yes, but that was four years ago, in 2007. There appears to have been no interest in 515 and 517, which were decommissioned at Ningde late 2010.

Strictly speaking, 509 (1002) and 510 (1003) were not the first, but Hulls 10 and 9 respectively.

515 was Hull 2, 517 Hull 3, while Hull 1 is 516, which was converted into a fire support ship.

At this point in fleet modernization and the rate the shipyards are cranking out new hulls, I doubt they want to repurpose these older hulls for use within, mostly because of pride in my opinion. I could see retrofitting them for CG duty for other nations as gifts being a worthy PR tactic, much like the US with their gift of a refurbished USCG cutter to the Philippines.

 

[Joshluot-34-85]

When do you guys think the next generation PLAN DDG will be commissioned?

 

[flyzies]

^ After 2016, when this wave of 052C construction finishes.

 

[adeptitus]

Older Jianghu class ships were not known for its "crew comfort". I'd think when they did the CG cutter conversion, they probably had to put in a lot of work to refit crew quarters, air conditioning, mess hull, etc. (or not). Crew living conditions on Jianghu III and Jianghu V's are said to be better.

The Chinese Navy still has around 2 dozen Jianghu class frigates in service, of which 14 are the older Jianghu-I and Jianghu-II class ships. So far we've seen 2 x 054 class frigates and ~14 x 054A class frigates built or being built. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that the Chinese Navy may replace the Jianghu class frigates with 054/054A/054x class frigates at 1:1 ratio.

Jiangwei class frigates are standing in line behind 2 dozen Jianghu class frigates and ~14 Luda class destroyers. It's still a long ways to go before they'd reach the scrapyard.

 

[franco-russe]

It is rumoured that JIANGHU I 511 and 512 will be handed over to Bangladesh. Bangladesh in 1989 acquired JIANGHU II 556 XIANGTAN, now F18 OSMAN and refitted with 2x4 C-803 in 2009.

The PLAN inventory of old major surface combatants includes13 LUDA (of which 4 modernised), 6 LUDA V (fairly new and refitted with new 100 mm guns and HY-82), 1 JIANGHU IV (training vessel), 3 JIANGHU III (refitted with HY-82), 8 JIANGHU II and 9 JIANGHU I.

North Sea Fleet

LUDA (modernised) 109, 110
LUDA 107, 108, 163, 164
JIANGHU IV 544
JIANGHU III 535, 536, 537
JIANGHU II 543, 545
JIANGHU I 519

East Sea Fleet
LUDA 131, 132, 133, 134
JIANGHU II 533, 534
JIANGHU I 511, 512, 513, 514 (fire support ship), 516, 518,

South Sea Fleet
LUDA (modernised) 165, 166
LUDA 162
JIANGHU II 553, 554, 555, 557
JIANGHU V 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563
JIANGHU I 551, 552

You can be pretty sure that they will be replaced on a one-to-one basis.

 

[tphuang]

where do you get all this fire support ship conversion from? Do you have any proof for this? I see 514 nicely parked outside doing absolutely nothing. 516 on the other hand was apparently converted into fire support ship though. I'm not sure that 518 is still in service since I have not seen any photos of it. And we get pictures of ESF more than any other fleet.

544 is not inactive service. It's in the naval academy for training.

and where do you get this from? My point is that we don't know how the re-organization is going to work. The talk is that Sanya naval base will eventually separate from SSF to form its own blue water fleet. At which point, the 9th flotilla will not look the way it looks now. And by the time ESF gets its 4 052C it will already be 2013. When it comes to PLAN, there is no point predicting that far ahead, since things change so fast.

In the not so distant future, 2 Destroyer Flotilla at Zhanjiang and 9 Destroyer Flotilla at Yulin will each have four Type 052C (well, two in 9 Flotilla are actually 052B) and four Type 054A, providing ready-made escort groups fort wo carrier groups.

 

[franco-russe]

At Ningde, I count 4 JIANGHU, incl. fire support ship which is of course 516 (the remark was misplaced afte 514, I have corrected that).

I do not see where I wrote that 544 is inactive. Everybody knows that 544 LUSHUN ex SIPING is a Naval Academy training ship, which is why I wrote that it is training vessel.

I referred elsewhere to a post from A. Man saying that all four 052C now building will go to ESF (instead of 172 and 173 going to 2 Destroyer Flotilla, SSF).

As there is information that the present series of 4 will be followed from 2013 by 4 of an improved version, it is evident that this second batch will go to SSF.

The talk about forming a 4th fleet from SSF seems to me pure, undiluted nonse. PLAN does not work that way.

Do I have to include source material for all I say. Do you?

 

[tphuang]

At Ningde, I count 4 JIANGHU, incl. fire support ship which is of course 516 (the remark was misplaced afte 514, I have corrected that).

I do not see where I wrote that 544 is inactive. Everybody knows that 544 LUSHUN ex SIPING is a Naval Academy training ship, which is why I wrote that it is training vessel.

I'm simply pointing out stuff that you posted which I observe to be false. If you list 544 and it's not really in service anymore, I will point that out.

I referred elsewhere to a post from A. Man saying that all four 052C now building will go to ESF (instead of 172 and 173 going to 2 Destroyer Flotilla, SSF).

As there is information that the present series of 4 will be followed from 2013 by 4 of an improved version, it is evident that this second batch will go to SSF.

The talk about forming a 4th fleet from SSF seems to me pure, undiluted nonse. PLAN does not work that way.

Do I have to include source material for all I say. Do you?

You do seem to make a lot of comments without specifying sources. Especially since when it comes to PLAN, I've made a point of getting people on this forum to just look at what they can see and not keep making speculations about 5 years ahead. So if you actually have some real stuff that tells you what PLAN has planned, that's great, post it. If it's just your belief, then let's wait and see.

This is not Indian or Russian navy, where you have to wait many years for ships to come out.

 

[franco-russe]

It would seem odd that PLAN renamed 544 on 28 July 2010 if it is not in service any more.

 

[franco-russe]

I looked at the pictures of 544 being renamed LUSHUN in July 2010. It was certainly in commission then, flying flags and with a commanding officer and crew on board.

It is lying at 38 38 14 N 121 14 58 E. The pennant number can actually be read on the helicopter platform.